Post by clavigerPost by Anthony MarshPost by clavigerPost by Anthony MarshPost by clavigerPost by Anthony MarshPost by clavigerCancel those 20 snipers and get this punk ready for the big event.
You mean the punk who missed a seated target only 120 feet away?
Yes, then put the next shot on center target from even further away.
The human target he was aiming at was identical to the silhouette
he practiced on for quals in the USMC.
So you can't even admit that Oswald missed Walker at only 120 feet away?
I don't need to admit it, because it is a fact. You don't seem to grasp
the concept of what a fact is all about. There are other facts you can't
deal with either.
Post by Anthony MarshYou know nothing about guns.
It is obvious you have never been hunting.
FYI, one does not have to hunt to know how to use a gun.
WHat do you hunt with your Carcano? Butterflies?
I used to but they were too easy, so I switched to bumble bees.
Post by Anthony MarshPost by clavigerPost by Anthony MarshIt was because the TSBD shot missed that the grassy knoll
shooter had to fire the insurance shot.
Tell us more about that phantom sniper. Was the shooter male
You can see his head above the fence in the Moorman photo.
http://the-puzzle-palace.com/files/moor406.jpg
If that is a head where is the rifle? This is supposed to be at
the same instant of the head shot.
Post by Anthony MarshPost by clavigeror female? What was he/she wearing? What kind of weapon?
He was using a Carcano similar to Oswald's.
He passed his rifle off to his spotter then pretended to be a SS agent
to blend in.
The fake SSA was not dressed like a SSA.
He was wearing a suit. That's all you need to know.
Smith did not specify that it was Washington Black.
Mr. Smith.
I was checking all the bushes and I checked all the cars in the parking lot.
Mr. Liebeler.
There is a parking lot in behind this grassy area back from Elm Street
toward the railroad tracks, and you went down to the parking lot and
looked around?
Mr. Smith.
Yes, sir; I checked all the cars. I looked into all the cars and checked
around the bushes. Of course, I wasn't alone. There was some deputy
sheriff with me, and I believe one Secret Service man when I got there.
I got to make this statement, too. I felt awfully silly, but after the
shot and this woman, I pulled my pistol from my holster, and I thought,
this is silly, I don't know who I am looking for, and I put it back.
Just as I did, he showed me that he was a Secret Service agent.
Mr. Liebeler.
Did you accost this man?
Mr. Smith.
Well, he saw me coming with my pistol and right away he showed me who he
was.
Mr. Liebeler.
Do you remember who it was?
Mr. Smith.
No, sir; I don't--because then we started checking the cars. In fact, I
was checking the bushes, and I went through the cars, and I started over
here in this particular section.
Mr. Liebeler.
Down toward the railroad tracks where they go over the triple underpass?
Mr. Smith.
Yes.
Mr. Liebeler.
Did you have any basis for believing where the shots came from, or where
to look for somebody, other than what the lady told you?
Mr. Smith.
No, sir; except that maybe it was a power of suggestion. But it sounded
to me like they may have came from this vicinity here.
Mr. Liebeler.
Down around the---let's put a No. 5 there at the corner here behind this
concrete structure where the bushes were down toward the railroad tracks
from the Texas School Book Depository Building on the little street that
runs down in front of the Texas School Book Depository Building.
Mr. Smith.
Yes.
Mr. Liebeler.
Now you say that you had the idea that the shots may have come from up
in that area?
Mr. Smith.
Yes, sir; that is just what, well, like I say, the sound of it. That was
the most helpless and hopeless feeling I ever had.
Mr. Liebeler.
Well, you mentioned before there was an echo from the shots in the area.
Mr. Smith.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Liebeler.
Probably caused by the fact that there are some large buildings around
the area where the shots were fired from?
Mr. Smith.
Yes.
Mr. Liebeler.
Now did you at any time have occasion to look up to the railroad tracks
that went across the triple underpass?
Mr. Smith.
Yes, sir; I looked up there after I was going up to check there.
Mr. Liebeler.
You didn't have any occasion to 'look up there before you heard the shots?
Mr. Smith.
No, sir.
Mr. Liebeler.
After you heard the shots, you proceeded down along the bushes here
between the street that runs in front of the Texas School Book
Depository Building and Elm Street to approximately point 5, and then
when you went down looking to the cars, you then had occasion to look up
at the railroad tracks running over the triple underpass?
Mr. Smith.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Liebeler.
Did you see anybody up there?
Mr. Smith.
Yes, sir; there was two other officers there, I know.
Mr. Liebeler.
Were there any other people up there, that you can remember?
Mr. Smith.
No, sir; none that I remember.
Mr. Liebeler.
But you remember that there were two police officers up there?
Mr. Smith.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Liebeler.
Now you searched these cars in this parking lot area down there by the
railroad tracks on from point 5 down toward the main railroad tracks
that cross over the triple underpass. Did you find anything that you
could associate in any way with the assassination?
Mr. Smith.
No, sir.
Mr. Liebeler.
How long did you remain down in that area?
Mr. Smith.
Oh, I would say approximately 15 to 20 minutes.
Mr. Liebeler.
During that time, you continued searching through automobiles and
searching the general area in the parking lot back there; is that right?
Mr. Smith.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Liebeler.
What did you do after you had searched this area?
Mr. Smith.
Well, it was, I don't remember whether this was a deputy sheriff--I
don't know his name he was in civilian clothes--he said they came from
the building up here. And by that time, of course, all the police around
there sealed the building off, and I went to the front door here on the,
well, you might say, the Houston Street side. I and Barnett, and we
sealed the front door and didn't let anyone in or out until he was
passed by the chief.
Mr. Liebeler.
Let me ask you this. Before you went up to the School Book Depository
Building, am I correct in understanding that you did thoroughly search
the area of the parking lot, you and the other officers?
Mr. Smith.
Well, now, I didn't go into all the cars. I looked into them, and I was
well satisfied in my mind that he wasn't around
Some of the cars were locked, and I just looked into all of them around
there, and I went back to the building.
Mr. Liebeler.
Who gave you instructions to go to the front door of that building, do
you remember?
Mr. Smith.
I believe it was Sergeant Howard.
Mr. Liebeler.
Sergeant Howard?
Mr. Smith.
Sergeant Howard, or Sergeant Harkness.
Mr. Liebeler.
So to the best of your recollection, it was one of those two men?
Mr. Smith.
Yes, sir. Wait---let's strike that. No; it wasn't. It was Chief Lumpkin
give us the direct order, I and Barnett, not to let anyone in or out of
that building; that's right--Deputy Chief Lumpkin.
Mr. Liebeler.
Where did you see him in order to receive that order?
Mr. Smith.
I started back up here to the building, and we were just about at the
front door when he contacted me and Barnett then.
Mr. Liebeler.
He instructed you and Barnett to stand at the front door and not let
anyone in or out?
Mr. Smith.
Right.
Mr. Liebeler.
Do you know approximately what time that was?
Mr. Smith.
No, sir; it must have been about 1. It was after I o'clock. I don't
remember; no.
Mr. Liebeler.
How long did you and Barnett remain there at the front door?
Mr. Smith.
Until about 2:30; I think I got off there.
Mr. Liebeler.
Did you at any time go into the building?
Mr. Smith.
No, sir.
Mr. Liebeler.
Do you know whether other men were assigned to watch the back door?
Mr. Smith.
No, sir; I don't know. I am quite certain there was.
Mr. Liebeler.
But you had no personal knowledge of it at the time?
Mr. Smith.
No, sir.
Mr. Liebeler.
Because you were assigned to the front door, and that is where you stayed?
Mr. Smith.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Liebeler.
In fact, did you let anybody in or out of the building?
Mr. Smith.
Well, now, we let police officers in, of course, and firemen.
Mr. Liebeler.
The firemen came into the building?
Mr. Smith.
Yes, sir; there was something on that that they had to get some--- what
was that, I don't recall what it was that they come in there for now.
Mr. Liebeler.
There were some firemen from the Dallas Fire Department that went into
the building?
Mr. Smith.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Liebeler.
Did they come back to the front door?
Mr. Smith.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Liebeler.
How about Secret Service; were there any Secret Service agents around?
Mr. Smith.
I don't know, sir.
Mr. Liebeler.
Do you know Agent Sorrels, the agent in charge of the Dallas office of
the Secret Service?
Mr. Smith.
I saw him a few minutes, but I don't know him personally.
Mr. Liebeler.
Do you remember seeing him around that day?
Mr. Smith.
No, sir; I don't remember.
Mr. Liebeler.
Did you at any time see Lee Harvey Oswald come in or out of the
building, or in the area at all?
Mr. Smith.
No, sir.
Mr. Liebeler.
Is there anything that happened while you were standing there with
Barnett at the front door that you think would be of significance that
the Commission should know about that I haven't asked you about?
Mr. Smith.
No, sir; I don't.
Mr. Liebeler.
You just maintained the general guard duty there and only let the police
officers and fire department in, and you don't have any specific
recollection as to Secret Service agents. How about FBI agents; were
there some of those?
Mr. Smith.
Yes, sir; there were FBI agents.
Mr. Liebeler.
You let them go in?
Mr. Smith.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Liebeler.
Do you remember any specific FBI agents that were there?
Mr. Smith.
No, sir; I don't remember any of the names.
Mr. Liebeler.
Who finally relieved you from that particular duty post?
Mr. Smith.
Let me think here a minute now. Chief Lumpkin, I know--I don't recall
who the officer was.
Mr. Liebeler.
I don't think it is of any particular importance if you can't recall.
What did you do after you were finally relieved?
Mr. Smith.
I don't know if this is of significance either, but they had set up, the
Salvation Army had some coffee and I had a cup of coffee and proceeded
on back to the Mercantile Bank. I had an extra job there that evening.
Mr. Liebeler.
You were relieved from your duty post?
Mr. Smith.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Liebeler.
And went on about your own personal affairs?
Mr. Smith.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Liebeler.
Did you conduct any additional investigation or have to do with the
investigation of the assassination after that?
Mr. Smith.
No, sir.
Mr. Liebeler.
Did you know Officer Tippit?
Mr. Smith.
Remotely. I didn't know him real well. Just knew him when I saw him.
Mr. Liebeler.
When did you first hear about Oswald's capture?
Mr. Smith.
It was after I left my post.
Mr. Liebeler.
After you left your post?
Mr. Smith.
Yes; in fact, just before I got off from working at the bank. Just
before 6 o'clock. A squad of detectives, I don't recall their names, but
they told me they got a man over at the Texas Theatre that they thought
might have been the one.
Mr. Liebeler.
After you heard the shots and went from point 4 on Commission Exhibit
No. 354 down to point 5 searching the bushy area here, did you have any
occasion to look up in the windows of any of the buildings surrounding
the intersection of Elm and Houston Streets?
Mr. Smith.
No, sir; I was--pardon the expression--beating the bushes and checking
the cars.
Mr. Smith.
No sir.
Mr. Liebeler.
Are you familiar with the traffic patterns on these three streets here,
Commerce, Main, and Elm Streets, as they go down under the triple underpass?
Mr. Smith.
Yes sir.
Mr. Liebeler.
The motorcade came down Main Street from the east to intersection of
Main Street and Houston, did it not?
Mr. Smith.
Yes; headed west on Main.
Mr. Liebeler.
Yes; and it turned right on Houston Street and then turned left on Elm
and was headed toward the triple underpass when the assassination
occurred. What would have prevented the motorcade from going directly
down Main Street under the triple underpass, remembering now that the
motorcade wanted to go onto Stemmons Freeway?
Mr. Smith.
I don't know, sir.
Mr. Liebeler.
Now, could you have gone straight down Main Street and gotten onto
Stemmons Freeway down here?
Mr. Smith.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Liebeler.
Where the three streets go under the triple overpass, there is a
concrete barrier between Elm Street and Main Street; is there not?
Mr. Smith.
What do you mean?
Mr. Liebeler.
Where the streets actually go under the railroad tracks here.
Mr. Smith.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Liebeler.
Now where is the entrance as we go off, as we see the three streets
going off the picture here, Commission Exhibit No. 354? Where is the
entrance to the Stemmons Freeway?
Mr. Smith.
It is back off.
Mr. Liebeler.
It is not shown on the picture?
Mr. Smith.
No, sir; it is back off here.
Mr. Liebeler.
To go down Stemmons Expressway or Freeway towards the trade mart, you
would have to turn how? Would you turn to your right?
Mr. Smith.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Liebeler.
Now could you have actually gone off to the right and crossed over Elm
Street if you had been on Main Street and gone under the triple underpass?
Mr. Smith.
They merge.
Mr. Liebeler.
They all merge together down there?
Mr. Smith.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Liebeler.
So as far as you know, there was no reason why the motorcade couldn't
have gone straight down Elm Street and gone on to the Stemmons Freeway
headed for the trade mart?
Mr. Smith.
As far as I know, there is no reason.
Mr. Liebeler.
Is it possible that as you come down Main Street, if you stayed directly
on Main Street going under the triple underpass, that you might have
difficulty in making the turn with a big car from Main Street to go onto
Stem-mons Freeway?
Mr. Smith.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Liebeler.
I don't think I have any more questions about the situation, unless you
can think of something else that you might have seen or observed that
day that I haven't asked you about, that you think the Commission should
know.
Mr. Smith.
Sir, I just can't think of anything else.
Mr. Liebeler.
I want to thank you very much for coming over. I appreciate your
cooperation.
Mr. Smith.
Yes, sir; thank you.
Source:
Warren Commission Hearings, Vol. VII, p. 531.
Post by clavigerPost by Anthony MarshWe've been over this thousands of times, but you never
pay attention.
So how did the spotter get away carrying the rifle?
Walked to a car.
Post by clavigerPost by Anthony MarshPost by clavigerWhat happened to the weapon after the shot was fired? What
was the exit strategy? After all these years you never answered
all these questions.
False. I've answered them thousands of times.
Your only trick he is to make false claims.
These simple questions obviously too hard for you.
I just answered them. Something wrong with your brain?