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The Dome Revisited
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Willytex
2004-08-25 05:12:54 UTC
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The Dome Revisited

Sometimes I have various thoughts on the theory of TM-Sidhi group
Superradiance program. There is definitely a coherent theme to my thoughts,
but I'm not attempting to make this a comprehensive essay with a thesis,
antithesis and synthesis, but when there is 1500 in the domes regularly, it
seems like about the equivalent of one Maharishi.

So, as more and more people get together in large groups the more
Maharishi's we have in the world. Wouldn't they each be independently
creating coherence? If people were participating in large group programs, we
could expect the influence of those programs to become greater, right?

According to L.B. Shriver, "During the Taste of Utopia course, Maharishi
commented that some Sidhas were very good at transcending, some so so at it,
and others not at all good at it. He said that when you get a group as large
as were there (over 7000), then when anyone transcended, everyone else was
dragged into the transcendent as well. Then the group had "slipped beneath
the threshold of nature's perfect functioning." This comment would explain
why you could have a group that wasn't very good at producing a
superradiance effect, i.e. no one in the group was good at transcending."

Shriver thinks the argument that the restrictions on things like visiting
saints might be necessary in order to preserve the "coherence" of the group,
was was never really a part of the formula.

The formula was "dirt simple", notes Shriver, and that was the real beauty
of it!

Maharishi Effect: 1% practicing TM in the general population. Global
Maharishi Effect: the square root of 1% practicing the TM-Sidhi program in a
formal group.

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2015-11-25 00:43:53 UTC
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It is a fact that all the Shankaracharyas agree that the Saraswati Dasanamis worship the Sri Vidya. It is also a fact that the Sri Chakra is ensconced on the mandir at Dwarka, Kanchi, and the Sringeri Mathas. It is also a fact that all the Adwaita Sannyasins claim that Adi Shankara established four mathas as seats of learning and for the worship of Sri Vidya.

Not just another Tantric sect. According to the Shankaracharya of Sringeri, the Adi Shankara placed the Sri Chakra, symbol of Tripurasundari, with the TM mantras inscribed thereon, at each of the seats of learning - Dwarka, Puri, Sringeri, and at Jyotirmath. The mantras of TM are DIRECTLY related to Sri Vidya.

On Wednesday, August 25, 2004 at 12:12:54 AM UTC-5, Willytex
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The Dome Revisited
Sometimes I have various thoughts on the theory of TM-Sidhi group
Superradiance program. There is definitely a coherent theme to my thoughts,
but I'm not attempting to make this a comprehensive essay with a thesis,
antithesis and synthesis, but when there is 1500 in the domes regularly, it
seems like about the equivalent of one Maharishi.
So, as more and more people get together in large groups the more
Maharishi's we have in the world. Wouldn't they each be independently
creating coherence? If people were participating in large group programs, we
could expect the influence of those programs to become greater, right?
According to L.B. Shriver, "During the Taste of Utopia course, Maharishi
commented that some Sidhas were very good at transcending, some so so at it,
and others not at all good at it. He said that when you get a group as large
as were there (over 7000), then when anyone transcended, everyone else was
dragged into the transcendent as well. Then the group had "slipped beneath
the threshold of nature's perfect functioning." This comment would explain
why you could have a group that wasn't very good at producing a
superradiance effect, i.e. no one in the group was good at transcending."
Shriver thinks the argument that the restrictions on things like visiting
saints might be necessary in order to preserve the "coherence" of the group,
was was never really a part of the formula.
The formula was "dirt simple", notes Shriver, and that was the real beauty
of it!
Maharishi Effect: 1% practicing TM in the general population. Global
Maharishi Effect: the square root of 1% practicing the TM-Sidhi program in a
formal group.
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p***@gmail.com
2016-09-16 14:46:32 UTC
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According to MMY, writing in "Beacon Light of the Himalayas" (1955), the purpose of the TMer mantras are to fetch the grace ofthe Hindu gods. The Shankarachary tradtion is the custodian of the mantras used in the practice of TM.

This has been confirmed by SBS, who stated in numerouse satsangs that the mantras used in the Shankarachary tradition are for the purpose of establishing an affinty with "istadevata", that is, a persoanl god, represented by the mantra such as Ram, Shyam, Saraswati, etc.

And, it has been established that the mantras given out in TMer initation came from the tradition followed by SBS, from whom MMY recieved the mantras after sitting at the feet of the master. We now knw that the mantras used by SBS came from his guru, SKS, a Saraswati Sannyasin of the Sri Vidya sect, headquartered at Sringeri which founded by the Adi Shankara in 810 AD.

The Sri Vidya in turn originated in Kashmere and is related to the monistic Trika philosophy of Kashmere Tantrism. The Adi Shankara visited Kashmere in 811 AD and was initiated into the shakti sect, obtaining the Sri Yantra mandala, symbol of the Hindu Goddess Tripurasundari (Saraswati), which he then placed on the mandir of numerous sacred temples which he founded such as at Sringerimatha, at Kanchimatha, and at Jyotirmatha.

Main purpose of mantra:

There are numerous uses for mantra, such as for protection, purification, propitiation, supplication, material gain, and for identification. One of the oldest uses of mantra is for clearing the atmosphere of malevolent entities, such as for the dedication of religious edifice architecture and for preparing the home and hearth for human habitation.
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It is a fact that all the Shankaracharyas agree that the Saraswati Dasanamis worship the Sri Vidya. It is also a fact that the Sri Chakra is ensconced on the mandir at Dwarka, Kanchi, and the Sringeri Mathas. It is also a fact that all the Adwaita Sannyasins claim that Adi Shankara established four mathas as seats of learning and for the worship of Sri Vidya.
Not just another Tantric sect. According to the Shankaracharya of Sringeri, the Adi Shankara placed the Sri Chakra, symbol of Tripurasundari, with the TM mantras inscribed thereon, at each of the seats of learning - Dwarka, Puri, Sringeri, and at Jyotirmath. The mantras of TM are DIRECTLY related to Sri Vidya.
On Wednesday, August 25, 2004 at 12:12:54 AM UTC-5, Willytex
Post by Willytex
The Dome Revisited
Sometimes I have various thoughts on the theory of TM-Sidhi group
Superradiance program. There is definitely a coherent theme to my thoughts,
but I'm not attempting to make this a comprehensive essay with a thesis,
antithesis and synthesis, but when there is 1500 in the domes regularly, it
seems like about the equivalent of one Maharishi.
So, as more and more people get together in large groups the more
Maharishi's we have in the world. Wouldn't they each be independently
creating coherence? If people were participating in large group programs, we
could expect the influence of those programs to become greater, right?
According to L.B. Shriver, "During the Taste of Utopia course, Maharishi
commented that some Sidhas were very good at transcending, some so so at it,
and others not at all good at it. He said that when you get a group as large
as were there (over 7000), then when anyone transcended, everyone else was
dragged into the transcendent as well. Then the group had "slipped beneath
the threshold of nature's perfect functioning." This comment would explain
why you could have a group that wasn't very good at producing a
superradiance effect, i.e. no one in the group was good at transcending."
Shriver thinks the argument that the restrictions on things like visiting
saints might be necessary in order to preserve the "coherence" of the group,
was was never really a part of the formula.
The formula was "dirt simple", notes Shriver, and that was the real beauty
of it!
Maharishi Effect: 1% practicing TM in the general population. Global
Maharishi Effect: the square root of 1% practicing the TM-Sidhi program in a
formal group.
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WillyTex
2019-10-16 22:33:13 UTC
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So let's review what we know about the bija mantras:

There are several uses of bija mantras: for purification, acquisition, propitiation, or in some cases for protection. But, the most noble use is for spontaneous meditation.

Vedic "mantras" are Sanskrit words found in the Vedas. However, "bija" mantras just seed sounds. They are not "meaningless" sounds; everything in the cosmos has meaning. But, bija mantras are non-semantic sounds - they are not words found in any standard Sanskrit lexicon.

Bija mantras, by definition, are esoteric sound vibrations, according to experts like Swami Ageananda Bharati. Woodroffe says bijas are not words.

The Sankrit word "man" comes from the root mind, and "tra", a tool. Bija mantras are simply sound tools for thinking. If the bija mantras used in TM were the secret nicknames of the devatas, the Maharishi wouod have said so.

However, there are no "devatas" mentioned in the Rik Veda. Devatas, that is, the diefied heros of Indian mythology, such as Krishna, Devaki, and Balarama came much later during the age of the sects during the Gupta Era.

The "devas" of the Rik Vedas are the personified forces of nature, such as earth, fire and wind. There are no bija mantras mentioned in the Rik Veda - bija mantras came much later during the alchemical phase of Nath siddhas after the rise of Tantric Buddhism.
WillyTex
2021-12-11 23:05:04 UTC
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The bubble analogy is very apt for the practice of TMers. Often, symbols can be a superior form of communication other than mere words.Before the invention of writing In India symbols were employed for teaching the nature of the ultimate reality. For example, the bindu is a symbol in Sri Vidya and is sometimes mistaken to mean a symbol for the 'point of return' - for the shakti. However, the bindu is actually the point of origin in Sri Vidya based on the Sri Yantra, the ancient wheel symbol in Kashmere.
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