1983 honda CB1000C

[f***@hotmail.com]

I am looking for a 1983 honda CB1000C head gasekt does anybody know
where i can get one of these. please let me know thanks.

[SC Tom]

Post by f***@hotmail.com
I am looking for a 1983 honda CB1000C head gasekt does anybody know
where i can get one of these. please let me know thanks.

Your Honda dealer will have them.

Tom

[The Older Gentleman]

Post by f***@hotmail.com
I am looking for a 1983 honda CB1000C head gasekt does anybody know
where i can get one of these. please let me know thanks.

Ooooh, tricky, tricky.....

I don't want to show you up as a complete dimbulb, but have you tried a
Honda dealer?

[Mark Olson]

Post by The Older Gentleman

Post by f***@hotmail.com
I am looking for a 1983 honda CB1000C head gasekt does anybody know
where i can get one of these. please let me know thanks.

Ooooh, tricky, tricky.....
I don't want to show you up as a complete dimbulb, but have you tried a
Honda dealer?

12251-MG1-405 GASKET, CYL HD $47.75 + shipping from
http://www.servicehonda.com

http://www.ronayers.com says it has been superseded by
Parts found with Part Number: 12251-MG1-405
Description *061A1-MG1-405
Price $53.85

You can of course also order it from any Honda dealer but it's a
good bet that when you add their markup and sales tax it will be
cheaper to buy online. Service Honda is the cheapest place online
that I have found for OEM Honda parts.

If I was taking the head off I would buy the complete top end
gasket kit ("GASKET KIT A" IIRC), it's not much more expensive
than the head gasket alone, and you get all the valve seals, etc.
that are going to be in pretty bad shape after 25 years... hmmm.

After looking again at Service Honda's site, I see that 061A1-MG1-405
_IS_ "GASKET KIT A" so if Ron Ayers is selling it for $53.85 I'd
jump on that, because Service Honda wants $136.10 for the complete
kit.

It totally mystifies me why this sort of question comes up so often.
Sure, there are cases where the manufacturer has discontinued a
particular part, but this isn't one of them. For some reason a lot
of folks seem to have an aversion to going to the dealership. Even
more inexplicable to me is that these same people also seem to have
unrealistic expectations about aftermarket suppliers being able to
supply esoteric parts many years after the bike was discontinued.

[oldgeezer]

<snip>

Post by Mark Olson
It totally mystifies me why this sort of question comes up so often.

<snip>

There always will be a polite MO who googles up the answer for them.
That's why.

Rob.

[The Older Gentleman]

Post by oldgeezer
<snip>

Post by Mark Olson
It totally mystifies me why this sort of question comes up so often.

<snip>
There always will be a polite MO who googles up the answer for them.
That's why.

Heh. As opposed to a rude old git who'll tell them to fuck off and try
the obvious ;-)

[l***@gmail.com]

Post by Mark Olson

Post by The Older Gentleman

Post by f***@hotmail.com
I am looking for a 1983 honda CB1000C head gasekt does anybody know
where i can get one of these. please let me know thanks.

Ooooh, tricky, tricky.....
I don't want to show you up as a complete dimbulb, but have you tried a
Honda dealer?

12251-MG1-405 GASKET, CYL HD $47.75 + shipping from
http://www.servicehonda.com
http://www.ronayers.com says it has been superseded by
Parts found with Part Number: 12251-MG1-405
Description *061A1-MG1-405
Price $53.85
You can of course also order it from any Honda dealer but it's a
good bet that when you add their markup and sales tax it will be
cheaper to buy online. Service Honda is the cheapest place online
that I have found for OEM Honda parts.
If I was taking the head off I would buy the complete top end
gasket kit ("GASKET KIT A" IIRC), it's not much more expensive
than the head gasket alone, and you get all the valve seals, etc.
that are going to be in pretty bad shape after 25 years... hmmm.
After looking again at Service Honda's site, I see that 061A1-MG1-405
_IS_ "GASKET KIT A" so if Ron Ayers is selling it for $53.85 I'd
jump on that, because Service Honda wants $136.10 for the complete
kit.
It totally mystifies me why this sort of question comes up so often.
Sure, there are cases where the manufacturer has discontinued a
particular part, but this isn't one of them. For some reason a lot
of folks seem to have an aversion to going to the dealership. Even
more inexplicable to me is that these same people also seem to have
unrealistic expectations about aftermarket suppliers being able to
supply esoteric parts many years after the bike was discontinued.
--
'01 SV650S '99 EX250-F13 '98 ZG1000-A13
OMF #7

I have had not luck with servicehonda in getting a gasket for an 83 CB1000. It is not as obvious as you make it out to be.

[Mark Olson]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Post by l***@gmail.com

Post by Mark Olson
It totally mystifies me why this sort of question comes up so often.
Sure, there are cases where the manufacturer has discontinued a
particular part, but this isn't one of them. For some reason a lot
of folks seem to have an aversion to going to the dealership. Even
more inexplicable to me is that these same people also seem to have
unrealistic expectations about aftermarket suppliers being able to
supply esoteric parts many years after the bike was discontinued.

I have had not luck with servicehonda in getting a gasket for an 83 CB1000. It is not as obvious as you make it out to be.

Take a look at the date I posted my message. It was almost five years
ago. Five years ago you could probably still buy that particular
gasket from Honda. It's not surprising to me, that not every part for
a 30 year old bike that was only made for a single model year is not
available any more.

[The Older Gentleman]

Post by l***@gmail.com
I have had not luck with servicehonda in getting a gasket for an 83
CB1000. It is not as obvious as you make it out to be.

What kind of berk responds to a posting that's nearly five years old?

[Mark Olson]

Post by The Older Gentleman

Post by l***@gmail.com
I have had not luck with servicehonda in getting a gasket for an 83
CB1000. It is not as obvious as you make it out to be.

What kind of berk responds to a posting that's nearly five years old?

<waves>

[The Older Gentleman]

Post by Mark Olson

Post by The Older Gentleman

Post by l***@gmail.com
I have had not luck with servicehonda in getting a gasket for an 83
CB1000. It is not as obvious as you make it out to be.

What kind of berk responds to a posting that's nearly five years old?

<waves>

LOL. Point taken.

[m***@gmail.com]

Post by The Older Gentleman

Post by Mark Olson

Post by The Older Gentleman

Post by l***@gmail.com
I have had not luck with servicehonda in getting a gasket for an 83
CB1000. It is not as obvious as you make it out to be.

What kind of berk responds to a posting that's nearly five years old?

<waves>

LOL. Point taken.
--
Honda CB400 Four Triumph Street Triple Ducati 800SS
Yamaha 660 Tenere Suzuki GT500 GN250, TS250ERx2
So many bikes, so little garage space....
chateau dot murray at idnet dot com

anyone interested in buying a 1983 cb100c? :)

[Jack Hunt]

Post by The Older Gentleman
I don't want to show you up as a complete dimbulb,

*Somebody* is about to look like a dimbulb, that's for sure.

Post by The Older Gentleman
but have you tried a Honda dealer?

Honda has a policy of not supporting any bike older than 10 years.

Try http://www.westernhonda.com/fiche_select.asp They have a reputation for
having hard to find Honda parts.

--
Jack

[Bruce Farley]

Where do you get this information? I have worked as a tech in Honda
shops for the last 35 (yes 35, I an an old fart!) years and do not find
that to be the case. Could you please give me a source for it?
Thank you,
Bruce

Post by Jack Hunt

Post by The Older Gentleman
I don't want to show you up as a complete dimbulb,

*Somebody* is about to look like a dimbulb, that's for sure.

Post by The Older Gentleman
but have you tried a Honda dealer?

Honda has a policy of not supporting any bike older than 10 years.
Try http://www.westernhonda.com/fiche_select.asp They have a reputation for
having hard to find Honda parts.
--
Jack

[The Older Gentleman]

Post by Bruce Farley
Where do you get this information? I have worked as a tech in Honda
shops for the last 35 (yes 35, I an an old fart!) years and do not find
that to be the case. Could you please give me a source for it?

"I saw it on the internet so it has to be true"

[Jack Hunt]

Post by Bruce Farley
Could you please give me a source for it?

Walk into any Honda dealer and ask for anything for a 1985 V65 Magna. I won't
have to tell you, they will.

They may say "We'll have to order that" and if you say "Go ahead and order it",
a couple of weeks later they'll tell you that it's no longer available from
Honda. Same thing they'll tell you about a 1982 CB1000 head gasket.

--
Jack

[The Older Gentleman]

Post by Jack Hunt

Post by Bruce Farley
Could you please give me a source for it?

Walk into any Honda dealer and ask for anything for a 1985 V65 Magna. I won't
have to tell you, they will.

That's not a 10 year-old bike, it's a 23 year-old bike, so you're not
being consistent, are you?

Post by Jack Hunt
They may say "We'll have to order that"

I'd expect that. I wouldn't expect many dealers to devote shelf space to
gaskets for relatively unpopular bikes that are nearly a quarter-century
old.

Post by Jack Hunt
and if you say "Go ahead and order it",
a couple of weeks later they'll tell you that it's no longer available from
Honda. Same thing they'll tell you about a 1982 CB1000 head gasket

An OEM head gasket for a 1982 CB1000 is available, price
US$14.47+carriage, from BikeBandit. Are we feeling foolish yet?

Incidentally, the firm can also offer an OEM head gasket for a V65 Magna
can be had for US$29.98, OEM, carriage extra. Plus loads of other bits

What you've highlighted is the inadequacy of some (many?) Honda dealers,
*not* Honda's spares back-up.

[Jack Hunt]

Post by The Older Gentleman
US$14.47+carriage, from BikeBandit.

That's not a Honda dealer, is it?

Post by The Older Gentleman
Are we feeling foolish yet?

Yeah, I guess you are but you'll never admit it.

The fact is that Honda does not support the older bikes. I never said the parts
aren't out there because they are. You just won't get them from a Honda dealer
from Honda stock.

Ford doesn't support the Model T anymore but you can still get any part you
need. You just won't get it from Ford. And you may pay through the nose to get
it.

And some of the parts aren't out there anywhere. Find an ignition module for an
85 Magna. Or something common, like a gas tank or a side cover.

--
Jack

[The Older Gentleman]

Post by Jack Hunt

Post by The Older Gentleman
US$14.47+carriage, from BikeBandit.

That's not a Honda dealer, is it?

It's a genuine Honda part, and it's available. So a Honda dealer can
obtain it.

Post by Jack Hunt

Post by The Older Gentleman
Are we feeling foolish yet?

Yeah, I guess you are but you'll never admit it.

That's because I'm not the one looking an ass.

Post by Jack Hunt
The fact is that Honda does not support the older bikes.

They as sure as hell support bikes older than 10 years, which is what
you *did* say.

Post by Jack Hunt
I never said the parts aren't out there because they are. You just won't
get them from a Honda dealer from Honda stock.

Yes, you *will*,if you use a good dealer. Once again, you are confusing
an idle dealer's policy with that of Honda itself. This crucial
difference has already been pointed out to you and you are choosing to
ignore it.

Post by Jack Hunt
Ford doesn't support the Model T anymore but you can still get any part
you need. You just won't get it from Ford. And you may pay through the
nose to get it.
And some of the parts aren't out there anywhere. Find an ignition module
for an 85 Magna. Or something common, like a gas tank or a side cover.

I acknowledged that some parts are unavailable. I pointed out that an
'85 Magna is nearly a quarter of a century old, and your assertion was
that bikes over 10 years old, not 23 years old, were not supported. I
also pointed out that this was not a particularly popular model anyway.

[Jack Hunt]

Post by The Older Gentleman
What you've highlighted is the inadequacy of some (many?) Honda dealers,
*not* Honda's spares back-up.

Honda corporate policy. When whatever is still on the shelf for the older bikes
is gone, there won't be any more, not from Honda.

--
Jack

[The Older Gentleman]

Post by Jack Hunt

Post by The Older Gentleman
What you've highlighted is the inadequacy of some (many?) Honda dealers,
*not* Honda's spares back-up.

Honda corporate policy. When whatever is still on the shelf for the older
bikes is gone, there won't be any more, not from Honda.

Oh yes, agreed. *But the cut-off period is longer than 10 years*.

And Honda *does* still keep making parts for bikes far, far older, if
there is sufficient demand (and thus profit).

[Jack Hunt]

Post by The Older Gentleman
And Honda *does* still keep making parts for bikes far, far older, if
there is sufficient demand (and thus profit).

Proof?

--
Jack

[The Older Gentleman]

Post by Jack Hunt

Post by The Older Gentleman
And Honda *does* still keep making parts for bikes far, far older, if
there is sufficient demand (and thus profit).

Proof?

See the Honda 400 Four in my sig? You can still get brand new OE
exhausts for it (largely due to pressure from David Silver Esq who sells
hundreds every year). The price has recently gone up significantly, from
£250-odd to £425 or so (double it for US dollars), and these are *not*
NOS parts. They're still being made.

OK, so they're pricey, but you can buy one from D.Silver Esq or from a
Honda UK dealer.

That's cast-iron proof. What proof have you got for your assertion that
they don't make any parts for bikes older than 10 years?

(I can still get brand new camchains and points sets for my 1974 SL125.
I don't know whether these are still being manufactured, though)

[Jack Hunt]

Post by The Older Gentleman
(I can still get brand new camchains and points sets for my 1974 SL125.

We don't have those pushbikes over here. Sorry.

Post by The Older Gentleman
I don't know whether these are still being manufactured, though)

I can't imagine why they would.

--
Jack

[The Older Gentleman]

Post by Jack Hunt

Post by The Older Gentleman
(I can still get brand new camchains and points sets for my 1974 SL125.

We don't have those pushbikes over here. Sorry.

Ah, so because *you* dont buy them, that means Honda doesn't make them.

Ri-ight.

[sturd]

Post by The Older Gentleman
An OEM head gasket for a 1982 CB1000 is available, price
US$14.47+carriage, from BikeBandit. Are we feeling foolish yet?

From experience, the internet providers might have the part number
on the site, will let you order it, and then a couple hours/days
later will tell you via email or phonecall "sorry, it's no longer
available". I've recently had this happen for both Honda
('74 CR125M) and Suzuki (GS750EC) parts, from two
different suppliers. Service Honda in the first case, Bike
Bandit in the second.


Go fast. Take chances.
Mike S.

[Jack Hunt]

Post by sturd
From experience, the internet providers might have the part number
on the site, will let you order it, and then a couple hours/days
later will tell you via email or phonecall "sorry, it's no longer
available". I've recently had this happen for both Honda
('74 CR125M) and Suzuki (GS750EC) parts, from two
different suppliers. Service Honda in the first case, Bike
Bandit in the second.

You better be careful. These clowns can't handle truth.

--
Jack

[TOG@Toil]

Post by sturd

Post by The Older Gentleman
An OEM head gasket for a 1982 CB1000 is available, price
US$14.47+carriage, from BikeBandit. Are we feeling foolish yet?

From experience, the internet providers might have the part number
on the site, will let you order it, and then a couple hours/days
later will tell you via email or phonecall "sorry, it's no longer
available".  I've recently had this happen for both Honda
('74 CR125M) and Suzuki (GS750EC) parts, from two
different suppliers.  Service Honda in the first case, Bike
Bandit in the second.

Ye-es, but the point of this sub-thread was that Jack started by
saying there was no support for 10+ year-old Hondas.

However, he choose to illustrate his point by referring to a bike that
was actually 25 years old, and then (to general amusement) tied
himself in knots.

The CR125 you mention is 34 years old, and the 750 about 30 years old,
and we have already agreed that some parts for older bikes are hard or
impossible to find. I'd expect this for bikes 30+ years old.

And yes, some suppliers do piss you around. However, as has been
patiently explained, this is a defect of the suppliers concerned and
has nothing to do with the actual manufacturers' spare parts support
policy.

[Mark Olson]

Post by ***@Toil
And yes, some suppliers do piss you around. However, as has been
patiently explained, this is a defect of the suppliers concerned and
has nothing to do with the actual manufacturers' spare parts support
policy.

I was surprised to see Service Honda mentioned in this context.
My experience with them has been very positive, and I have never had
them come back saying they couldn't get any parts for my '81 CM400T,
or my '81 CB900C, or my '86 GL1200A.

Since it has been mentioned that S.H. may not be able to get all the
parts listed in their online catalog, if I want to order any parts for
older bikes from them, I will phone first and have them check with the
warehouse for availability.

I have also ordered numerous parts for the three aforementioned bikes
from a local Honda dealer, including a complete top end gasket set for
the CM400T and I never had them tell me they couldn't get a part I
wanted.

[sturd]

Post by Mark Olson
I was surprised to see Service Honda mentioned in this context.
My experience with them has been very positive, and I have never had
them come back saying they couldn't get any parts for my '81 CM400T,
or my '81 CB900C, or my '86 GL1200A.

My experience with them has been very positive too. They called first
thing when they got to the office the morning after I ordered a CR
part
that was no longer available. Not their fault that the software let's
you
order phantom parts. At least they let me know right away.

Regards,
Mike S.

[IdaSpode]

On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:25:11 -0800 (PST), sturd

Post by sturd

Post by Mark Olson
I was surprised to see Service Honda mentioned in this context.
My experience with them has been very positive, and I have never had
them come back saying they couldn't get any parts for my '81 CM400T,
or my '81 CB900C, or my '86 GL1200A.

My experience with them has been very positive too. They called first
thing when they got to the office the morning after I ordered a CR
part
that was no longer available. Not their fault that the software let's
you
order phantom parts. At least they let me know right away.

Mike,

A couple of months ago I was searching for some out of production
Gaerne boots. I was able to order them from two different places that
in fact did not have them in stock. I was also notified promptly,
but...

It is someone's responsibility to keep the online store's inventory
current, it's not necessarily a function of the software used. When I
told one of the places they still showed the boots in stock, they
changed the page within a day.

Post by sturd
Mike S.

DJ

[sturd]

Post by IdaSpode
It is someone's responsibility to keep the online store's inventory
current, it's not necessarily a function of the software used. When I
told one of the places they still showed the boots in stock, they
changed the page within a day.

Yeabut that's different as no motorcycle shop stocks hard parts
for 20-30 year old bikes, except by accident.

The following is slightly conjecture as I've not had enough
access to the insides of one of these systems but:

My local dealer, an old friend, has let me play with his system
minimally a couple times. You can also access it via internet.

http://www.nrys.com/fiche_select.asp

It supposedly has a direct connection to Yamaha and Suzuki
warehouse stock, as Service Honda most probably does.
The trouble is that connection is less than stellar,
it will let you order stuff that isn't available. If you're standing
at the
counter, it'll come back and tell you right then. If you're doing it
through whatever firewall allows access via internet, it never tells
you anything is not available unless the part number database
says 'no longer available'. I've had the same experience with
my buddy's system as I have with Service Honda's. Order it
online from him for pickup in a couple days and get a call or
email that the parts are no longer available.

So I think in this case, it is a software vendor failing.
I think.


Go fast. Take chances.
Mike S.

[IdaSpode]

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 05:06:28 -0800 (PST), sturd

Post by sturd

Post by IdaSpode
It is someone's responsibility to keep the online store's inventory
current, it's not necessarily a function of the software used. When I
told one of the places they still showed the boots in stock, they
changed the page within a day.

Yeabut that's different as no motorcycle shop stocks hard parts
for 20-30 year old bikes, except by accident.
The following is slightly conjecture as I've not had enough
My local dealer, an old friend, has let me play with his system
minimally a couple times. You can also access it via internet.
http://www.nrys.com/fiche_select.asp
It supposedly has a direct connection to Yamaha and Suzuki
warehouse stock, as Service Honda most probably does.
The trouble is that connection is less than stellar,
it will let you order stuff that isn't available. If you're standing
at the
counter, it'll come back and tell you right then. If you're doing it
through whatever firewall allows access via internet, it never tells
you anything is not available unless the part number database
says 'no longer available'. I've had the same experience with
my buddy's system as I have with Service Honda's. Order it
online from him for pickup in a couple days and get a call or
email that the parts are no longer available.
So I think in this case, it is a software vendor failing.
I think.

In this case I agree, it's not a simple "shopping cart" that you're
dealing with, as in my examples.

Post by sturd
Mike S.

DJ

[ΓΔΘΛΞΠΣΦΨΩ]

Post by ***@Toil
Ye-es, but the point of this sub-thread was that Jack started by
saying there was no support for 10+ year-old Hondas.
However, he choose to illustrate his point by referring to a bike that
was actually 25 years old, and then (to general amusement) tied
himself in knots.

Actually, the only person entertained by your argumentiveness is YOU.

Interminable Usenet debates have been your only source of
entertainment since you
became impotent.

[TOG@Toil]

Post by ΓΔΘΛΞΠΣΦΨΩ

Post by ***@Toil
Ye-es, but the point of this sub-thread was that Jack started by
saying there was no support for 10+ year-old Hondas.
However, he choose to illustrate his point by referring to a bike that
was actually 25 years old, and then (to general amusement) tied
himself in knots.

Actually, the only person entertained by your argumentiveness is YOU.
Interminable Usenet debates have been your only source of
entertainment since you
became impotent.

Heh. I bet Jack's *really proud* to have you fighting his corner.

[ΓΔΘΛΞΠΣΦΨΩ]

Post by ***@Toil

Post by ΓΔΘΛΞΠΣΦΨΩ
Interminable Usenet debates have been your only source of
entertainment since you
became impotent.

Heh. I bet Jack's *really proud* to have you fighting his corner.

rec.motorcycles isn't about experienced riders and mechanics debating
with each other,
it's about helping other motorcyclists with their mechanical and
electrical problems.

If you want to play flame war with other trolls, stay in UKRM.

[The Older Gentleman]

Post by ΓΔΘΛΞΠΣΦΨΩ

Post by ***@Toil

Post by ΓΔΘΛΞΠΣΦΨΩ
Interminable Usenet debates have been your only source of
entertainment since you
became impotent.

Heh. I bet Jack's *really proud* to have you fighting his corner.

rec.motorcycles isn't about experienced riders and mechanics debating
with each other,

Er, this isn't rec motorcycles, though, is it?

Post by ΓΔΘΛΞΠΣΦΨΩ
it's about helping other motorcyclists with their mechanical and
electrical problems.

Ah. Now, a while back, you said it was for newbies to be educated about
bikes.

I told you to look at the charter then. I'll tell you the same here.

Post by ΓΔΘΛΞΠΣΦΨΩ
If you want to play flame war with other trolls, stay in UKRM.

I play with you here, don't I?

You lose.

[ΓΔΘΛΞΠΣΦΨΩ]

Post by The Older Gentleman

Post by ΓΔΘΛΞΠΣΦΨΩ
If you want to play flame war with other trolls, stay in UKRM.

I play with you here, don't I?
You lose.

Anybody who reads your crap or debates with you has wasted that part
if his life.

If you have information that might *reasonably* help the OP, then
share it.

Otherwise, control your urge to play NIGYYSOB with everybody.

[The Older Gentleman]

Post by ΓΔΘΛΞΠΣΦΨΩ
If you have information that might *reasonably* help the OP, then
share it.

Well, let's see. I have already given him the details of a supplier who
listed the part he wanted, and quoted the price.

Like I said:

You lose! Loser.

[The Older Gentleman]

Post by Jack Hunt
Honda has a policy of not supporting any bike older than 10 years.

Utter and complete nonsense.

[Jack Hunt]

Post by The Older Gentleman
Utter and complete nonsense.

See above. Try it for yourself.

--
Jack

[The Older Gentleman]

Post by Jack Hunt

Post by The Older Gentleman
Utter and complete nonsense.

See above. Try it for yourself.

See other posting. I just have.

This may come as a surprise to you, but I restore old Jap bikes, both
for fun and as part of what I loosely call "work".

Honda's parts supply is absolutely extraordinary. Yes, it's getting
harder to source components for pre-1980s bikes, but as I said in my
other post, you can't expect Honda to keep making all parts for all
their bikes ad infinitum.

Your assertion that Honda doesn't support bikes more than a decade old
is utter tripe.

That would mean that, for example, a CBR600, 1997 vintage, now no longer
has parts made for it....

[Jack Hunt]

Post by The Older Gentleman
That would mean that, for example, a CBR600, 1997 vintage, now no longer
has parts made for it.

If the parts will also fit some newer bike, they're still on the shelf. If it's
used only on the older bike, forget it.

Try to find a set of Honda brake pads for a V65 Sabre. *If* you ask for Sabre
pads you'll get "Those are out of production" but if you cross reference other
bikes that take the same part which still are current, you can get them.

We were lately informed that Honda no longer makes spare parts for the '94 Magna
we have. When the current stockpile is gone, it's gone.

--
Jack

[The Older Gentleman]

Post by Jack Hunt

Post by The Older Gentleman
That would mean that, for example, a CBR600, 1997 vintage, now no longer
has parts made for it.

If the parts will also fit some newer bike, they're still on the shelf.
If it's used only on the older bike, forget it.

Nonsense.

Post by Jack Hunt
Try to find a set of Honda brake pads for a V65 Sabre. *If* you ask for Sabre
pads you'll get "Those are out of production" but if you cross reference other
bikes that take the same part which still are current, you can get them.

So what's the problem with that?

Post by Jack Hunt
We were lately informed that Honda no longer makes spare parts for the '94
Magna we have.

You were misinformed. Some parts, almost certainly. Again, it was not a
super-popular model

Post by Jack Hunt
When the current stockpile is gone, it's gone.

Not for all parts.

[Jack Hunt]

it was not a super-popular model

When did that become part of the argument? If you're going to buy a bike and
keep it for a long time, make sure you buy something that's going to be a
popular item 20 years from now.

I'm going to get into the crystal ball business, I can make a fortune.

--
Jack

[Bob Scott]

Post by Jack Hunt

Post by The Older Gentleman
Utter and complete nonsense.

See above. Try it for yourself.

Might be the case in the US but it certainly wasn't in the UK last year.

Certainly spares for late '80s & early '90s CBRs aren't a problem. Mind
you, spares for my mid '80s, limited edition, never a UK model 750
aren't as easy to get a hold of. Got to go to Dave Silver for them.

[The Older Gentleman]

Post by Bob Scott

Post by Jack Hunt

Post by The Older Gentleman
Utter and complete nonsense.

See above. Try it for yourself.

Might be the case in the US

Well, on the example he gave me, it isn't a problem as regards Honda.
Just crap dealers.

We have them here, too, of course. I can understand dealers not keeping
parts for elderly bikes on the shelf, but I do get irritated when they
say they can't be obtained, because I know full well that they can.

[Ken Abrams]

Post by Jack Hunt

Post by The Older Gentleman
Utter and complete nonsense.

See above. Try it for yourself.

You are jumping to unsupported conclusions again (still).

A single incident does not a pattern make and a single incident does not
mean whatever you mistakenly believe it to mean.

The simple fact that their initial response was "We will try to order it."
directly refutes your claim that they offer no support.

If you actually dig long enough, instead of just pulling wild guesses out of
your ass, I think you will find that they don't GUARANTEE support for things
over XX years old (more like 20 I think) but will always try......feeble
though the attempt may be.

Over the years I have been amazed at some of the 20 year old "real" Honda
parts they have been able to come up with. There have also been cases where
they can't get things that old from Honda and won't take their time to root
them out somewhere else. That should be no surprise to anybody though.

[Jack Hunt]

Post by Ken Abrams
Over the years I have been amazed at some of the 20 year old "real" Honda
parts they have been able to come up with.

Translation: They found one on a dusty shelf somewhere. The part certainly
wasn't "new", just New Old Stock.

Post by Ken Abrams
There have also been cases where
they can't get things that old from Honda and won't take their time to root
them out somewhere else. That should be no surprise to anybody though.

Bingo. So the aftermarket guys get someone to build the stuff that's economical
to build, that will move, and they sell it until it's no longer economical or
the lack of demand doesn't justify the cost of keeping it in stock. Then you're
stuck digging through junkyards or getting something custom built or modified
from something else.

Once again for the slow readers, I never said you can't get the old parts. I
said Honda doesn't make them any more. And they don't.

The pimple-faced kid behind the counter may try to order them for you, not
knowing that they don't exist. The book he's looking at may be older than he
is. That does not equal corporate Honda support, that is a kid that doesn't
know anything except how to punch in a part number, doing what he's trained to
do and telling you whatever you want to hear.

When the rubber meets the road, Honda doesn't make the part anymore and unless
someone has a NOS item, you're not going to get it from Honda.

I've dealt with too many of the 20+ year old bikes, and I know what my
experience and the experience of other old Honda V4 owners has been. Ignition
modules are in very short supply, and all of them are used. Just this year
someone came out with a module that will work, but it costs nearly as much as
the value of the bike. You won't get one from Honda. They stopped making them
15 years ago and the stuff on the shelves has dried up.

--
Jack

[The Older Gentleman]

Post by Jack Hunt
Once again for the slow readers, I never said you can't get the old parts. I
said Honda doesn't make them any more. And they don't.

You said Honda don't make parts for bikes *more than 10 years old*, and
this is nonsense.

Post by Jack Hunt
The pimple-faced kid behind the counter may try to order them for you, not
knowing that they don't exist. The book he's looking at may be older than he
is. That does not equal corporate Honda support, that is a kid that doesn't
know anything except how to punch in a part number, doing what he's trained to
do and telling you whatever you want to hear.

That's a dealer failing, not a Honda Motor Co failing.

Post by Jack Hunt
When the rubber meets the road, Honda doesn't make the part anymore and unless
someone has a NOS item, you're not going to get it from Honda.

If Honda ceases making parts, yes, right, but this is the same of *all*
vehicles. There comes a point when you stop making bits for them. When
there are so few on the road that it's just not worthwhile.

Post by Jack Hunt
I've dealt with too many of the 20+ year old bikes, and I know what my
experience and the experience of other old Honda V4 owners has been.
Ignition modules are in very short supply, and all of them are used. Just
this year someone came out with a module that will work, but it costs
nearly as much as the value of the bike. You won't get one from Honda.
They stopped making them 15 years ago and the stuff on the shelves has
dried up.

You seem to deliberately be picking one of Honda's least successful
model lines - the early V4s.

Look, I can order brand new OE Honda stuff for my 1974 SL125, if I want
to. OK, not stuff like panels, tanks and suchlike, but certainly service
items and even quite a few engine parts.

[Jack Hunt]

Post by The Older Gentleman
OK, not stuff like panels, tanks and suchlike, but certainly service
items and even quite a few engine parts.

...that also fits something else.

--
Jack

[The Older Gentleman]

Post by Jack Hunt

Post by The Older Gentleman
OK, not stuff like panels, tanks and suchlike, but certainly service
items and even quite a few engine parts.

...that also fits something else.

See my other posting about the SL125. That's an engine that Honda
stopped making in, erm, well, its last incarnation was in the mid-1980s.

So I seriously doubt that parts like camchain, piston, etc fit other
bikes.

Anyway, you're *still* changing your markers. Originally it was "no
support for bikes over 10 years old". Now it's "not manufacturing unique
parts for bikes over 10 years old".

Don't keep moving the goalposts.

[Jack Hunt]

Post by The Older Gentleman
Don't keep moving the goalposts.

Here's a goalpost for you:

Bite me. Find that 83 CB1000 head gasket NOT NOS and still currently in
production at a Honda dealer and I'll kiss your ass in Trafalgar Square and give
you 30 minutes to draw a crowd.

--
Jack

[The Older Gentleman]

Post by Jack Hunt

Post by The Older Gentleman
Don't keep moving the goalposts.

Bite me. Find that 83 CB1000 head gasket NOT NOS and still currently in
production at a Honda dealer

Honda dealers don't produce things.

Post by Jack Hunt
and I'll kiss your ass in Trafalgar Square and give
you 30 minutes to draw a crowd.

I said: some parts aren't in production.

So, a quick review.

Jack says:

"Honda has a policy of not supporting any bike older than 10 years"

TOG says: "Utter and complete nonsense" and others say similar.

Jack says a head gasket for a CB1000 is unavailable from Honda.

TOG says that a CB1000 is a quarter-century old, not 10 years, but
nevertheless points him at a supplier and quotes a price.

Jack says: "That's not a Honda dealer, is it?"

TOG says: "It's a genuine Honda part, and it's available. So a Honda
dealer can obtain it." He acknowledges that some parts for older bikes
are indeed not obtainable and points out why.

Jack starts a frantic back-pedal and claims: "I never said you can't get
the old parts. I said Honda doesn't make them any more."

TOG (and Ken) remind him that this is not at all what he said. TOG says
that parts for older bikes are being made.

Jack demands proof!

TOG points to the exhaust of his 30 year-old Honda 400 Four and says
(correctly) that it's still being made. Also cites parts for his 1974
125.

Jack chooses to ignore the 400 exhaust issue and says of the 125: "We
don't have those pushbikes over here", thus now making the imaginary
supply problem a localised US issue.

TOG reminds Jack that he's ,oving the goalposts with every posting.

Jack asks TOG to prove that a gasket for a CB1000 is still currently in
production.

And TOG, at this stage in a laughable series of nonsense postings by
Jack says:

You lose.

[Ken Abrams]

Post by Jack Hunt
Once again for the slow readers, I never said you can't get the old parts.
I
said Honda doesn't make them any more. And they don't.

No you didn't. You said "Honda doesn't support bikes over 10 years old."
That statement is easily disproven but egotistical ass that you are, you
refuse to give up.

You can back-pedal and side-step and claim not to have said what you did but
the fact remains that your initial spew was (and is) bullshit.

[Bruce Farley]

By choosing to completely ignore my request for a source for you
statement that Honda does not support bikes older than 10 years you show
that this is only your impression, NOT a policy of Honda. As so well
pointed out to you, many parts are available. I do a lot of work on Gold
Wings and can assure you that I still am able to get what I need from
AHM for bikes older than 10 years. Of course it is true that SOME parts
are no longer available. If Honda was to continue to stock all parts for
everything that they sold for the last 10, 15, 20 or 25 years do you
have any idea what the cost to you would be? You would be starting a new
thread about how Honda was ripping of the public with their high prices.
As was pointed out before, the whole V-4 line of the mid 80's was not
one of the best efforts of Honda. I have worked on them from the time
they came out and there were times when a bike left the shop that we
crossed our fingers and hopped that it would hold together, and this was
using genuine Honda parts. It is not a big surprise that the parts
supply for these is running low.
I would once again ask for a source for your statement that bikes older
than 10 years are not supported. You silence will speak volumes.

Bruce

Post by Ken Abrams

Post by Jack Hunt
Once again for the slow readers, I never said you can't get the old
parts. I
said Honda doesn't make them any more. And they don't.

No you didn't. You said "Honda doesn't support bikes over 10 years old."
That statement is easily disproven but egotistical ass that you are, you
refuse to give up.
You can back-pedal and side-step and claim not to have said what you did
but the fact remains that your initial spew was (and is) bullshit.

[The Older Gentleman]

Post by Bruce Farley
I would once again ask for a source for your statement that bikes older
than 10 years are not supported. You silence will speak volumes.

'S'ok. He ain't gonna provide one.

[Jack Hunt]

Post by The Older Gentleman
He ain't gonna provide one.

And you ain't gonna produce a current CB1000 head gasket from Honda.

--
Jack

[Bruce Farley]

You were right. He avoids the question.
Bruce

Post by Jack Hunt

Post by The Older Gentleman
He ain't gonna provide one.

And you ain't gonna produce a current CB1000 head gasket from Honda.
--
Jack

[The Older Gentleman]

Post by Bruce Farley
You were right. He avoids the question.

But of course. Well, having made him look a complete fool in front of a
grandstand audience, I've finished playing with him.

[Jack Hunt]

Post by The Older Gentleman
But of course.

At the very beginning, you said

Post by The Older Gentleman
I don't want to show you up as a complete dimbulb, but have you tried a
Honda dealer?

Which was help at all, you arrogant prick.

--
Jack

[TOG@Toil]

Post by Jack Hunt

Post by The Older Gentleman
But of course.

At the very beginning, you said

Post by The Older Gentleman
I don't want to show you up as a complete dimbulb, but have you tried a
Honda dealer?

Which was help at all, you arrogant prick.

no
^^

Here, have a free word.

And it was still sound advice as a first port of call. And I
subsequently located source, item and price.

Thank you for playing, all the same. It's been fun.

[Jack Hunt]

Post by ***@Toil
And it was still sound advice as a first port of call.

No, it was just you masturbating your ego. Again. Just like you've been doing
for years. Hoping against hope that nobody will find out about your little
bitty willy.

Oops.

Post by ***@Toil
And I subsequently located source, item and price.

But not at a Honda dealer, which you snottily suggested in the first place and
insinuated that the OP was stupid.

You should start calling yourself something else. You're not older and you're
certainly not a gentleman.

But on the other hand, you seem to have picked up a groupy. Congratulations.

[Bruce Farley]

You do have a way with words. When asked for a source you can give none.
And now you make remarks about body parts. Too bad. I could have
probably been of some help to you but you now go in the kill file.
Bruce

Post by Jack Hunt

Post by ***@Toil
And it was still sound advice as a first port of call.

No, it was just you masturbating your ego. Again. Just like you've been doing
for years. Hoping against hope that nobody will find out about your little
bitty willy.
Oops.

Post by ***@Toil
And I subsequently located source, item and price.

But not at a Honda dealer, which you snottily suggested in the first place and
insinuated that the OP was stupid.
You should start calling yourself something else. You're not older and you're
certainly not a gentleman.
But on the other hand, you seem to have picked up a groupy. Congratulations.

[Jack Hunt]

Post by Bruce Farley
I could have
probably been of some help to you

The help you could provide, I'll never need.

Post by Bruce Farley
but you now go in the kill file.

Fire at will.

--
Jack

[TOG@Toil]

Post by Bruce Farley
You do have a way with words. When asked for a source you can give none.
And now you make remarks about body parts. Too bad. I could have
probably been of some help to you but you now go in the kill file.

He's just behaving like a little kid.

I can't actually figure out why he lied in this thread. I mean, anyone
who says: "I said (this)...." when that patently isn't true must (a)
have a deep-seated desire to tell lies and sod the consequences and
(b) believe that his previous postings sort of disappear after people
read them, so that the obvious contradiction can't be pointed out.

Very strange. He's not alone in that, of course.

[Rick Cortese]

Post by Jack Hunt

Post by The Older Gentleman
But of course.

At the very beginning, you said

Post by The Older Gentleman
I don't want to show you up as a complete dimbulb, but have you tried a
Honda dealer?

Which was help at all, you arrogant prick.
--
Jack

Not to weigh in on either side of this specific issue since I don't own
a CB1000.

There are a ton of parts still being made for older bikes because they
were reincarnated on newer bikes. Just go to a web site like Dennis Kirk
and when you get to a specific item like clutch plates or brake shoes
and click the catagory ~See what other bikes this part fits. You may
find clutch plates from a 30 year old bike were used in a 5 year old
bike and are still available.

Some things like cam chains may not be the right lenght, but you can
shorten them.

Something like pistons, SL125 for example since it was brought up, you
can substitute. An example would be a Honda 4 cylinder like CB750 since
they use the same wrist pin.

While it doesn't qualify as Honda OEM, seems like Honda cotracted many
parts out to other manufacturers. You may not be able to buy a new set
of Honda rings for an older bike but you can sometimes still buy the
rings from the contractor that was making them for Honda in the first place.

Rick

[The Older Gentleman]

Post by Rick Cortese
Something like pistons, SL125 for example since it was brought up, you
can substitute. An example would be a Honda 4 cylinder like CB750 since
they use the same wrist pin.

They do? Where do you learn that little nugget of info?

Not that I disbelieve you: I'm just impressed.

[l***@gmail.com]

Post by f***@hotmail.com
I am looking for a 1983 honda CB1000C head gasekt does anybody know
where i can get one of these. please let me know thanks.

I have been to bikebandit.com as recommended within this thread I the heard gasket is not available.

http://www.bikebandit.com/houseofmotorcycles/1983-honda-1000-custom-cb1000c/o/m151758#sch20570

Thoughts?

[Silly Rabbit]

Post by l***@gmail.com

Post by f***@hotmail.com
I am looking for a 1983 honda CB1000C head gasekt does anybody know
where i can get one of these. please let me know thanks.

I have been to bikebandit.com as recommended within this thread I the heard gasket is not available.
http://www.bikebandit.com/houseofmotorcycles/1983-honda-1000-custom-cb1000c/o/m151758#sch20570
Thoughts?

Appears here at 1/2 the price

<http://www.nchouseofmotorcycles.com/fiche_section_detail.asp?section=2124115&category=Motorcycles&make=HONDA&year=1983&fveh=124710>

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Post by l***@gmail.com

Post by f***@hotmail.com
I am looking for a 1983 honda CB1000C head gasekt does anybody know
where i can get one of these. please let me know thanks.

I have been to bikebandit.com as recommended within this thread I the
heard gasket is not available.

I would think that in the over four-and-a-half-years since he asked about
the gasket, he might have found one. Don't you think?

(Why did you reply to a post from 2008?)

[The Older Gentleman]

Post by Beauregard T. Shagnasty

Post by l***@gmail.com

Post by f***@hotmail.com
I am looking for a 1983 honda CB1000C head gasekt does anybody know
where i can get one of these. please let me know thanks.

I have been to bikebandit.com as recommended within this thread I the
heard gasket is not available.

I would think that in the over four-and-a-half-years since he asked about
the gasket, he might have found one. Don't you think?
(Why did you reply to a post from 2008?)

Because he's Rip Van Winkle?

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Post by The Older Gentleman

Post by Beauregard T. Shagnasty

Post by l***@gmail.com

Post by f***@hotmail.com
I am looking for a 1983 honda CB1000C head gasekt does anybody know
where i can get one of these. please let me know thanks.

I have been to bikebandit.com as recommended within this thread I the
heard gasket is not available.

I would think that in the over four-and-a-half-years since he asked
about the gasket, he might have found one. Don't you think?
(Why did you reply to a post from 2008?)

Because he's Rip Van Winkle?

zzz-zzzzz-zork-zz Wha? Oh, Rip! zz-zzzz-zzzz could be, or maybe because
he's a GGer and doesn't notice the "NN years ago" on the web page.

Here he is, crossing his bridge! http://goo.gl/6ykkt

[Mark Olson]

Post by Beauregard T. Shagnasty

Post by The Older Gentleman

Post by Beauregard T. Shagnasty

Post by l***@gmail.com

Post by f***@hotmail.com
I am looking for a 1983 honda CB1000C head gasekt does anybody know
where i can get one of these. please let me know thanks.

I have been to bikebandit.com as recommended within this thread I the
heard gasket is not available.

I would think that in the over four-and-a-half-years since he asked
about the gasket, he might have found one. Don't you think?
(Why did you reply to a post from 2008?)

Because he's Rip Van Winkle?

zzz-zzzzz-zork-zz Wha? Oh, Rip! zz-zzzz-zzzz could be, or maybe because
he's a GGer and doesn't notice the "NN years ago" on the web page.
Here he is, crossing his bridge! http://goo.gl/6ykkt

What harm is caused by a late answer? It's not as if this newsgroup is
overflowing with traffic, and if indeed that head gasket is actually
available[1], it's a good piece of info for anyone with a CB1000C who needs
a head gasket.

If the answer was only supposed to be of use to the original poster, all
replies might as well be sent by email which would make newsgroups a whole
lot less useful.

[1] I really doubt that there are any to be easily found since Honda say
they are not available- but there's always the chance there is one sitting
on a shelf somewhere that didn't get sent back to the Honda warehouse years
ago.

[Larry Blanchard]

Post by Beauregard T. Shagnasty
(Why did you reply to a post from 2008?)

I don't know the answer to that, but I'm always suspicious of a post with
"MISMATCH" in the path :-).