Pictures of Lee Harvey Oswald bearing arms

[claviger]

JFK Lancer
http://www.jfklancer.com/bymain.html
On the back were two handwritten inscriptions:
"To my friend George from Lee Oswald - 5/IV/63"
and, in Russian Cyrillic script: "Hunter of fascists ha-ha-ha!!!"

[Steve BH]

Post by claviger
JFK Lancer
http://www.jfklancer.com/bymain.html
"To my friend George from Lee Oswald - 5/IV/63"
and, in Russian Cyrillic script: "Hunter of fascists ha-ha-ha!!!"

About as close to a signed confession as you're likely to get.
Particularly as both Oswald and DeMohrenschild's wives SAW the rifle with
their own eyes, about that time (Easter 1963) while the Oswalds were
living at the Neely address where the back yard photo was taken. Other
back yard photos were found in Oswald's belongings at capture. Oswald said
he didn't own a rifle. And that his head was pasted on another body in the
photo (his signature forged too, we suppose). But the date (5 April, 1963)
curiously is exactly right. Somebody will shoot at Walker just 5 days
later.

We have at least one negative. Not doctored (not possible in 1963). It is
matched to Oswald's camera, recovered at the Paine's after his capture, to
the exclusion of all others. Surveillance Photos of Walker's house are
also there, taken with the same camera. The rifle in the photo is a
Carcano (not a common weapon). It is a 91/38 Carcano (many other Carcanos
exist, but this is the type Oswald was shipped, and that was found in his
workplace, the TSBD, and that fired fired the bullet fragments found in
the FJK limo. It has a mark on the stock where Oswald's did (and the C2766
weapon found in the TSBD). Marina said she took the photos. The order for
the rifle is in Oswald's handwriting, using an Oswald alias from a card in
Oswald's pocket when captured, forged from Oswald's selective service card
(nobody else's-- there are distinctive marks). When found in the TSBD it
has Oswald's handprint on the barrel.

The pistol in the photo was found on Oswald at capture. The holster was
found in his rooming house. Though Oswald admitted the pistol was his (how
could he not?), he lied about where he got it. It was ordered by the same
alias used for the backyard photo and TSBD Carcano (and in Oswald's
writing) and using the same PO address. Which also was the address used to
send the copies of the Militant and The Worker to which Oswald subscribed
and that are shown in the backyard photo! These issues date from the same
time Oswald ordered the rifle (March 1963), and when he was shipped the
rifle and the pistol....

But you see, Oswald didn't do it. Incredible to say. ;')

[mainframetech]

Post by Steve BH

Post by claviger
JFK Lancer
http://www.jfklancer.com/bymain.html
"To my friend George from Lee Oswald - 5/IV/63"
and, in Russian Cyrillic script: "Hunter of fascists ha-ha-ha!!!"

About as close to a signed confession as you're likely to get.
Particularly as both Oswald and DeMohrenschild's wives SAW the rifle with
their own eyes, about that time (Easter 1963) while the Oswalds were
living at the Neely address where the back yard photo was taken. Other
back yard photos were found in Oswald's belongings at capture. Oswald said
he didn't own a rifle. And that his head was pasted on another body in the
photo (his signature forged too, we suppose). But the date (5 April, 1963)
curiously is exactly right. Somebody will shoot at Walker just 5 days
later.
We have at least one negative. Not doctored (not possible in 1963). It is
matched to Oswald's camera, recovered at the Paine's after his capture, to
the exclusion of all others. Surveillance Photos of Walker's house are
also there, taken with the same camera. The rifle in the photo is a
Carcano (not a common weapon). It is a 91/38 Carcano (many other Carcanos
exist, but this is the type Oswald was shipped, and that was found in his
workplace, the TSBD, and that fired fired the bullet fragments found in
the FJK limo. It has a mark on the stock where Oswald's did (and the C2766
weapon found in the TSBD). Marina said she took the photos. The order for
the rifle is in Oswald's handwriting, using an Oswald alias from a card in
Oswald's pocket when captured, forged from Oswald's selective service card
(nobody else's-- there are distinctive marks). When found in the TSBD it
has Oswald's handprint on the barrel.
The pistol in the photo was found on Oswald at capture. The holster was
found in his rooming house. Though Oswald admitted the pistol was his (how
could he not?), he lied about where he got it. It was ordered by the same
alias used for the backyard photo and TSBD Carcano (and in Oswald's
writing) and using the same PO address. Which also was the address used to
send the copies of the Militant and The Worker to which Oswald subscribed
and that are shown in the backyard photo! These issues date from the same
time Oswald ordered the rifle (March 1963), and when he was shipped the
rifle and the pistol....
But you see, Oswald didn't do it. Incredible to say. ;')

There is no doubt that the rifle was Oswald's. But that doesn't mean
that he used it to fire on the motorcade.

When he got the rifle, he had his photo taken with it and his
literature to look more 'rough and ready' and rebellious to a group he
wanted to get in with. Probably so he could rat on them later to the
authorities. Once he got his photos, he rolled the rifle up in a blanket
and threw it in the garage. He never practiced with it, or he would have
discovered the problem with the scope and had it fixed, certainly before
taking shots at the POTUS.

Chris

[claviger]

Post by mainframetech

Post by Steve BH

Post by claviger
JFK Lancer
http://www.jfklancer.com/bymain.html
"To my friend George from Lee Oswald - 5/IV/63"
and, in Russian Cyrillic script: "Hunter of fascists ha-ha-ha!!!"

About as close to a signed confession as you're likely to get.
Particularly as both Oswald and DeMohrenschild's wives SAW the rifle with
their own eyes, about that time (Easter 1963) while the Oswalds were
living at the Neely address where the back yard photo was taken. Other
back yard photos were found in Oswald's belongings at capture. Oswald said
he didn't own a rifle. And that his head was pasted on another body in the
photo (his signature forged too, we suppose). But the date (5 April, 1963)
curiously is exactly right. Somebody will shoot at Walker just 5 days
later.
We have at least one negative. Not doctored (not possible in 1963). It is
matched to Oswald's camera, recovered at the Paine's after his capture, to
the exclusion of all others. Surveillance Photos of Walker's house are
also there, taken with the same camera. The rifle in the photo is a
Carcano (not a common weapon). It is a 91/38 Carcano (many other Carcanos
exist, but this is the type Oswald was shipped, and that was found in his
workplace, the TSBD, and that fired fired the bullet fragments found in
the FJK limo. It has a mark on the stock where Oswald's did (and the C2766
weapon found in the TSBD). Marina said she took the photos. The order for
the rifle is in Oswald's handwriting, using an Oswald alias from a card in
Oswald's pocket when captured, forged from Oswald's selective service card
(nobody else's-- there are distinctive marks). When found in the TSBD it
has Oswald's handprint on the barrel.
The pistol in the photo was found on Oswald at capture. The holster was
found in his rooming house. Though Oswald admitted the pistol was his (how
could he not?), he lied about where he got it. It was ordered by the same
alias used for the backyard photo and TSBD Carcano (and in Oswald's
writing) and using the same PO address. Which also was the address used to
send the copies of the Militant and The Worker to which Oswald subscribed
and that are shown in the backyard photo! These issues date from the same
time Oswald ordered the rifle (March 1963), and when he was shipped the
rifle and the pistol....
But you see, Oswald didn't do it. Incredible to say. ;')

There is no doubt that the rifle was Oswald's. But that doesn't mean
that he used it to fire on the motorcade.
When he got the rifle, he had his photo taken with it and his
literature to look more 'rough and ready' and rebellious to a group he
wanted to get in with. Probably so he could rat on them later to the
authorities. Once he got his photos, he rolled the rifle up in a blanket
and threw it in the garage. He never practiced with it, or he would have
discovered the problem with the scope and had it fixed, certainly before
taking shots at the POTUS.
Chris

Best place to discover a problem with a scope is on a firing range where
someone with experience can correct it. Doesn't take a genius to figure
that out.

[Anthony Marsh]

Post by claviger

Post by mainframetech

Post by Steve BH

Post by claviger
JFK Lancer
http://www.jfklancer.com/bymain.html
"To my friend George from Lee Oswald - 5/IV/63"
and, in Russian Cyrillic script: "Hunter of fascists ha-ha-ha!!!"

About as close to a signed confession as you're likely to get.
Particularly as both Oswald and DeMohrenschild's wives SAW the rifle with
their own eyes, about that time (Easter 1963) while the Oswalds were
living at the Neely address where the back yard photo was taken. Other
back yard photos were found in Oswald's belongings at capture. Oswald said
he didn't own a rifle. And that his head was pasted on another body in the
photo (his signature forged too, we suppose). But the date (5 April, 1963)
curiously is exactly right. Somebody will shoot at Walker just 5 days
later.
We have at least one negative. Not doctored (not possible in 1963). It is
matched to Oswald's camera, recovered at the Paine's after his capture, to
the exclusion of all others. Surveillance Photos of Walker's house are
also there, taken with the same camera. The rifle in the photo is a
Carcano (not a common weapon). It is a 91/38 Carcano (many other Carcanos
exist, but this is the type Oswald was shipped, and that was found in his
workplace, the TSBD, and that fired fired the bullet fragments found in
the FJK limo. It has a mark on the stock where Oswald's did (and the C2766
weapon found in the TSBD). Marina said she took the photos. The order for
the rifle is in Oswald's handwriting, using an Oswald alias from a card in
Oswald's pocket when captured, forged from Oswald's selective service card
(nobody else's-- there are distinctive marks). When found in the TSBD it
has Oswald's handprint on the barrel.
The pistol in the photo was found on Oswald at capture. The holster was
found in his rooming house. Though Oswald admitted the pistol was his (how
could he not?), he lied about where he got it. It was ordered by the same
alias used for the backyard photo and TSBD Carcano (and in Oswald's
writing) and using the same PO address. Which also was the address used to
send the copies of the Militant and The Worker to which Oswald subscribed
and that are shown in the backyard photo! These issues date from the same
time Oswald ordered the rifle (March 1963), and when he was shipped the
rifle and the pistol....
But you see, Oswald didn't do it. Incredible to say. ;')

There is no doubt that the rifle was Oswald's. But that doesn't mean
that he used it to fire on the motorcade.
When he got the rifle, he had his photo taken with it and his
literature to look more 'rough and ready' and rebellious to a group he
wanted to get in with. Probably so he could rat on them later to the
authorities. Once he got his photos, he rolled the rifle up in a blanket
and threw it in the garage. He never practiced with it, or he would have
discovered the problem with the scope and had it fixed, certainly before
taking shots at the POTUS.
Chris

Best place to discover a problem with a scope is on a firing range where
someone with experience can correct it. Doesn't take a genius to figure
that out.

Oswald had no experience with a scope.

[claviger]

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by mainframetech

Post by Steve BH

Post by claviger
JFK Lancer
http://www.jfklancer.com/bymain.html
"To my friend George from Lee Oswald - 5/IV/63"
and, in Russian Cyrillic script: "Hunter of fascists ha-ha-ha!!!"

About as close to a signed confession as you're likely to get.
Particularly as both Oswald and DeMohrenschild's wives SAW the rifle with
their own eyes, about that time (Easter 1963) while the Oswalds were
living at the Neely address where the back yard photo was taken. Other
back yard photos were found in Oswald's belongings at capture. Oswald said
he didn't own a rifle. And that his head was pasted on another body in the
photo (his signature forged too, we suppose). But the date (5 April, 1963)
curiously is exactly right. Somebody will shoot at Walker just 5 days
later.
We have at least one negative. Not doctored (not possible in 1963). It is
matched to Oswald's camera, recovered at the Paine's after his capture, to
the exclusion of all others. Surveillance Photos of Walker's house are
also there, taken with the same camera. The rifle in the photo is a
Carcano (not a common weapon). It is a 91/38 Carcano (many other Carcanos
exist, but this is the type Oswald was shipped, and that was found in his
workplace, the TSBD, and that fired fired the bullet fragments found in
the FJK limo. It has a mark on the stock where Oswald's did (and the C2766
weapon found in the TSBD). Marina said she took the photos. The order for
the rifle is in Oswald's handwriting, using an Oswald alias from a card in
Oswald's pocket when captured, forged from Oswald's selective service card
(nobody else's-- there are distinctive marks). When found in the TSBD it
has Oswald's handprint on the barrel.
The pistol in the photo was found on Oswald at capture. The holster was
found in his rooming house. Though Oswald admitted the pistol was his (how
could he not?), he lied about where he got it. It was ordered by the same
alias used for the backyard photo and TSBD Carcano (and in Oswald's
writing) and using the same PO address. Which also was the address used to
send the copies of the Militant and The Worker to which Oswald subscribed
and that are shown in the backyard photo! These issues date from the same
time Oswald ordered the rifle (March 1963), and when he was shipped the
rifle and the pistol....
But you see, Oswald didn't do it. Incredible to say. ;')

There is no doubt that the rifle was Oswald's. But that doesn't mean
that he used it to fire on the motorcade.
When he got the rifle, he had his photo taken with it and his
literature to look more 'rough and ready' and rebellious to a group he
wanted to get in with. Probably so he could rat on them later to the
authorities. Once he got his photos, he rolled the rifle up in a blanket
and threw it in the garage. He never practiced with it, or he would have
discovered the problem with the scope and had it fixed, certainly before
taking shots at the POTUS.
Chris

Best place to discover a problem with a scope is on a firing range where
someone with experience can correct it. Doesn't take a genius to figure
that out.

Oswald had no experience with a scope.

You have no idea what he did for 4 years in the Soviet Union. Spetsnaz
had 4 years to teach him how to use a scope. Not that hard to learn on
the local practice range.

[Anthony Marsh]

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Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by mainframetech

Post by Steve BH

Post by claviger
JFK Lancer
http://www.jfklancer.com/bymain.html
"To my friend George from Lee Oswald - 5/IV/63"
and, in Russian Cyrillic script: "Hunter of fascists ha-ha-ha!!!"

About as close to a signed confession as you're likely to get.
Particularly as both Oswald and DeMohrenschild's wives SAW the rifle with
their own eyes, about that time (Easter 1963) while the Oswalds were
living at the Neely address where the back yard photo was taken. Other
back yard photos were found in Oswald's belongings at capture. Oswald said
he didn't own a rifle. And that his head was pasted on another body in the
photo (his signature forged too, we suppose). But the date (5 April, 1963)
curiously is exactly right. Somebody will shoot at Walker just 5 days
later.
We have at least one negative. Not doctored (not possible in 1963). It is
matched to Oswald's camera, recovered at the Paine's after his capture, to
the exclusion of all others. Surveillance Photos of Walker's house are
also there, taken with the same camera. The rifle in the photo is a
Carcano (not a common weapon). It is a 91/38 Carcano (many other Carcanos
exist, but this is the type Oswald was shipped, and that was found in his
workplace, the TSBD, and that fired fired the bullet fragments found in
the FJK limo. It has a mark on the stock where Oswald's did (and the C2766
weapon found in the TSBD). Marina said she took the photos. The order for
the rifle is in Oswald's handwriting, using an Oswald alias from a card in
Oswald's pocket when captured, forged from Oswald's selective service card
(nobody else's-- there are distinctive marks). When found in the TSBD it
has Oswald's handprint on the barrel.
The pistol in the photo was found on Oswald at capture. The holster was
found in his rooming house. Though Oswald admitted the pistol was his (how
could he not?), he lied about where he got it. It was ordered by the same
alias used for the backyard photo and TSBD Carcano (and in Oswald's
writing) and using the same PO address. Which also was the address used to
send the copies of the Militant and The Worker to which Oswald subscribed
and that are shown in the backyard photo! These issues date from the same
time Oswald ordered the rifle (March 1963), and when he was shipped the
rifle and the pistol....
But you see, Oswald didn't do it. Incredible to say. ;')

There is no doubt that the rifle was Oswald's. But that doesn't mean
that he used it to fire on the motorcade.
When he got the rifle, he had his photo taken with it and his
literature to look more 'rough and ready' and rebellious to a group he
wanted to get in with. Probably so he could rat on them later to the
authorities. Once he got his photos, he rolled the rifle up in a blanket
and threw it in the garage. He never practiced with it, or he would have
discovered the problem with the scope and had it fixed, certainly before
taking shots at the POTUS.
Chris

Best place to discover a problem with a scope is on a firing range where
someone with experience can correct it. Doesn't take a genius to figure
that out.

Oswald had no experience with a scope.

You have no idea what he did for 4 years in the Soviet Union. Spetsnaz
had 4 years to teach him how to use a scope. Not that hard to learn on
the local practice range.

I like your new conspiracy theory, but you know nothing about guns in
the Soviet Union. His KGB watchers took him out hunting and he couldn't
hit anything. His watch above his apartment knew what he was doing and
knew that he dididn't have a gun.

[claviger]

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by mainframetech

Post by Steve BH

Post by claviger
JFK Lancer
http://www.jfklancer.com/bymain.html
"To my friend George from Lee Oswald - 5/IV/63"
and, in Russian Cyrillic script: "Hunter of fascists ha-ha-ha!!!"

About as close to a signed confession as you're likely to get.
Particularly as both Oswald and DeMohrenschild's wives SAW the rifle with
their own eyes, about that time (Easter 1963) while the Oswalds were
living at the Neely address where the back yard photo was taken. Other
back yard photos were found in Oswald's belongings at capture. Oswald said
he didn't own a rifle. And that his head was pasted on another body in the
photo (his signature forged too, we suppose). But the date (5 April, 1963)
curiously is exactly right. Somebody will shoot at Walker just 5 days
later.
We have at least one negative. Not doctored (not possible in 1963). It is
matched to Oswald's camera, recovered at the Paine's after his capture, to
the exclusion of all others. Surveillance Photos of Walker's house are
also there, taken with the same camera. The rifle in the photo is a
Carcano (not a common weapon). It is a 91/38 Carcano (many other Carcanos
exist, but this is the type Oswald was shipped, and that was found in his
workplace, the TSBD, and that fired fired the bullet fragments found in
the FJK limo. It has a mark on the stock where Oswald's did (and the C2766
weapon found in the TSBD). Marina said she took the photos. The order for
the rifle is in Oswald's handwriting, using an Oswald alias from a card in
Oswald's pocket when captured, forged from Oswald's selective service card
(nobody else's-- there are distinctive marks). When found in the TSBD it
has Oswald's handprint on the barrel.
The pistol in the photo was found on Oswald at capture. The holster was
found in his rooming house. Though Oswald admitted the pistol was his (how
could he not?), he lied about where he got it. It was ordered by the same
alias used for the backyard photo and TSBD Carcano (and in Oswald's
writing) and using the same PO address. Which also was the address used to
send the copies of the Militant and The Worker to which Oswald subscribed
and that are shown in the backyard photo! These issues date from the same
time Oswald ordered the rifle (March 1963), and when he was shipped the
rifle and the pistol....
But you see, Oswald didn't do it. Incredible to say. ;')

There is no doubt that the rifle was Oswald's. But that doesn't mean
that he used it to fire on the motorcade.
When he got the rifle, he had his photo taken with it and his
literature to look more 'rough and ready' and rebellious to a group he
wanted to get in with. Probably so he could rat on them later to the
authorities. Once he got his photos, he rolled the rifle up in a blanket
and threw it in the garage. He never practiced with it, or he would have
discovered the problem with the scope and had it fixed, certainly before
taking shots at the POTUS.
Chris

Best place to discover a problem with a scope is on a firing range where
someone with experience can correct it. Doesn't take a genius to figure
that out.

Oswald had no experience with a scope.

You have no idea what he did for 4 years in the Soviet Union. Spetsnaz
had 4 years to teach him how to use a scope. Not that hard to learn on
the local practice range.

I like your new conspiracy theory, but you know nothing about guns in
the Soviet Union. His KGB watchers took him out hunting and he couldn't
hit anything. His watch above his apartment knew what he was doing and
knew that he dididn't have a gun.

So your KGB contacts gave you a full report on the 4 years LHO spent in the
Soviet Union?

[Anthony Marsh]

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Post by Anthony Marsh

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Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by mainframetech

Post by Steve BH

Post by claviger
JFK Lancer
http://www.jfklancer.com/bymain.html
"To my friend George from Lee Oswald - 5/IV/63"
and, in Russian Cyrillic script: "Hunter of fascists ha-ha-ha!!!"

About as close to a signed confession as you're likely to get.
Particularly as both Oswald and DeMohrenschild's wives SAW the rifle with
their own eyes, about that time (Easter 1963) while the Oswalds were
living at the Neely address where the back yard photo was taken. Other
back yard photos were found in Oswald's belongings at capture. Oswald said
he didn't own a rifle. And that his head was pasted on another body in the
photo (his signature forged too, we suppose). But the date (5 April, 1963)
curiously is exactly right. Somebody will shoot at Walker just 5 days
later.
We have at least one negative. Not doctored (not possible in 1963). It is
matched to Oswald's camera, recovered at the Paine's after his capture, to
the exclusion of all others. Surveillance Photos of Walker's house are
also there, taken with the same camera. The rifle in the photo is a
Carcano (not a common weapon). It is a 91/38 Carcano (many other Carcanos
exist, but this is the type Oswald was shipped, and that was found in his
workplace, the TSBD, and that fired fired the bullet fragments found in
the FJK limo. It has a mark on the stock where Oswald's did (and the C2766
weapon found in the TSBD). Marina said she took the photos. The order for
the rifle is in Oswald's handwriting, using an Oswald alias from a card in
Oswald's pocket when captured, forged from Oswald's selective service card
(nobody else's-- there are distinctive marks). When found in the TSBD it
has Oswald's handprint on the barrel.
The pistol in the photo was found on Oswald at capture. The holster was
found in his rooming house. Though Oswald admitted the pistol was his (how
could he not?), he lied about where he got it. It was ordered by the same
alias used for the backyard photo and TSBD Carcano (and in Oswald's
writing) and using the same PO address. Which also was the address used to
send the copies of the Militant and The Worker to which Oswald subscribed
and that are shown in the backyard photo! These issues date from the same
time Oswald ordered the rifle (March 1963), and when he was shipped the
rifle and the pistol....
But you see, Oswald didn't do it. Incredible to say. ;')

There is no doubt that the rifle was Oswald's. But that doesn't mean
that he used it to fire on the motorcade.
When he got the rifle, he had his photo taken with it and his
literature to look more 'rough and ready' and rebellious to a group he
wanted to get in with. Probably so he could rat on them later to the
authorities. Once he got his photos, he rolled the rifle up in a blanket
and threw it in the garage. He never practiced with it, or he would have
discovered the problem with the scope and had it fixed, certainly before
taking shots at the POTUS.
Chris

Best place to discover a problem with a scope is on a firing range where
someone with experience can correct it. Doesn't take a genius to figure
that out.

Oswald had no experience with a scope.

You have no idea what he did for 4 years in the Soviet Union. Spetsnaz
had 4 years to teach him how to use a scope. Not that hard to learn on
the local practice range.

I like your new conspiracy theory, but you know nothing about guns in
the Soviet Union. His KGB watchers took him out hunting and he couldn't
hit anything. His watch above his apartment knew what he was doing and
knew that he dididn't have a gun.

So your KGB contacts gave you a full report on the 4 years LHO spent in the
Soviet Union?

I have no KGB contacts. Did you mean my CIA contacts?
You know who might have the full report? Roger Moore.
Remmber when he went to Russia for a TV special and dug up all the
documents? Didn't the Russian President give the US all their documents
on Oswald several years ago? File a FOIA request.

[claviger]

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Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
You have no idea what he did for 4 years in the Soviet Union. Spetsnaz
had 4 years to teach him how to use a scope. Not that hard to learn on
the local practice range.

I like your new conspiracy theory, but you know nothing about guns in
the Soviet Union. His KGB watchers took him out hunting and he couldn't
hit anything. His watch above his apartment knew what he was doing and
knew that he dididn't have a gun.

So your KGB contacts gave you a full report on the 4 years LHO spent in the
Soviet Union?

I have no KGB contacts.

Therefore you have no idea if LHO was trained by Spetsnaz for 4 years to
be a KGB sniper one day. If he ever had the opportunity to go back to the
USA he was well trained to kill a number of targets: General Walker,
Richard Nixon, Adlai Stevenson, Governor Connelly, or even President
Kennedy. LHO would be so well trained he could do it with a milsurp rifle.
He was to bang the scope hard on the way out to confuse the police
investigation. Also very well trained on how to act like a poor little
patsy.

Post by Anthony Marsh
Did you mean my CIA contacts?
You know who might have the full report? Roger Moore.
Remmber when he went to Russia for a TV special and dug up all the
documents? Didn't the Russian President give the US all their documents
on Oswald several years ago? File a FOIA request.

No Russian officials admit LHO was anything but an oddball they wanted
nothing to do with. As one said, he was a "tumbleweed" they had no use
for.

[Anthony Marsh]

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Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
You have no idea what he did for 4 years in the Soviet Union. Spetsnaz
had 4 years to teach him how to use a scope. Not that hard to learn on
the local practice range.

I like your new conspiracy theory, but you know nothing about guns in
the Soviet Union. His KGB watchers took him out hunting and he couldn't
hit anything. His watch above his apartment knew what he was doing and
knew that he dididn't have a gun.

So your KGB contacts gave you a full report on the 4 years LHO spent in the
Soviet Union?

I have no KGB contacts.

Therefore you have no idea if LHO was trained by Spetsnaz for 4 years to
be a KGB sniper one day. If he ever had the opportunity to go back to the

We know that he was not.

Post by claviger
USA he was well trained to kill a number of targets: General Walker,
Richard Nixon, Adlai Stevenson, Governor Connelly, or even President
Kennedy. LHO would be so well trained he could do it with a milsurp rifle.
He was to bang the scope hard on the way out to confuse the police
investigation. Also very well trained on how to act like a poor little
patsy.

That's the craziest conspiracy theory I've heard this year.
As I said before, many WC defenders secretly harbor crazy conspiracy
theories. I've even heard one kook claim that a Secret Service agent
shot JFK in the head.

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh
Did you mean my CIA contacts?
You know who might have the full report? Roger Moore.
Remmber when he went to Russia for a TV special and dug up all the
documents? Didn't the Russian President give the US all their documents
on Oswald several years ago? File a FOIA request.

No Russian officials admit LHO was anything but an oddball they wanted
nothing to do with. As one said, he was a "tumbleweed" they had no use
for.

Yes, I believe Yuri.

[claviger]

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
You have no idea what he did for 4 years in the Soviet Union. Spetsnaz
had 4 years to teach him how to use a scope. Not that hard to learn on
the local practice range.

I like your new conspiracy theory, but you know nothing about guns in
the Soviet Union. His KGB watchers took him out hunting and he couldn't
hit anything. His watch above his apartment knew what he was doing and
knew that he dididn't have a gun.

So your KGB contacts gave you a full report on the 4 years LHO spent in the
Soviet Union?

I have no KGB contacts.

Therefore you have no idea if LHO was trained by Spetsnaz for 4 years to
be a KGB sniper one day. If he ever had the opportunity to go back to the

We know that he was not.

Who is we? Are you KGB? Supposedly they kept a 24 hour watch on him and
bugged his apartment. They are the only "We" who can make that statement.

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
USA he was well trained to kill a number of targets: General Walker,
Richard Nixon, Adlai Stevenson, Governor Connelly, or even President
Kennedy. LHO would be so well trained he could do it with a milsurp
rifle. He was to bang the scope hard on the way out to confuse the
police investigation. Also very well trained on how to act like a
poor little patsy.

That's the craziest conspiracy theory I've heard this year.
As I said before, many WC defenders secretly harbor crazy conspiracy
theories.

We know from Marina these people were persons of interest to LHO. So
not crazy at all that he had a hit list.

Post by Anthony Marsh
I've even heard one kook claim that a Secret Service agent shot JFK in the head.

That is a theory by a ballistics expert and career Detective from
Australia. Neither one claimed it was intentional. Both said the SSA was
trying to shoot the sniper in the 6th floor window.

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh
Did you mean my CIA contacts?
You know who might have the full report? Roger Moore.
Remmber when he went to Russia for a TV special and dug up all the
documents? Didn't the Russian President give the US all their documents
on Oswald several years ago? File a FOIA request.

No Russian officials admit LHO was anything but an oddball they wanted
nothing to do with. As one said, he was a "tumbleweed" they had no use
for.

Yes, I believe Yuri.

Was he one of your KGB contacts?

[Anthony Marsh]

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
You have no idea what he did for 4 years in the Soviet Union. Spetsnaz
had 4 years to teach him how to use a scope. Not that hard to learn on
the local practice range.

I like your new conspiracy theory, but you know nothing about guns in
the Soviet Union. His KGB watchers took him out hunting and he couldn't
hit anything. His watch above his apartment knew what he was doing and
knew that he dididn't have a gun.

So your KGB contacts gave you a full report on the 4 years LHO spent in the
Soviet Union?

I have no KGB contacts.

Therefore you have no idea if LHO was trained by Spetsnaz for 4 years to
be a KGB sniper one day. If he ever had the opportunity to go back to the

We know that he was not.

Who is we? Are you KGB? Supposedly they kept a 24 hour watch on him and
bugged his apartment. They are the only "We" who can make that statement.

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
USA he was well trained to kill a number of targets: General Walker,
Richard Nixon, Adlai Stevenson, Governor Connelly, or even President
Kennedy. LHO would be so well trained he could do it with a milsurp
rifle. He was to bang the scope hard on the way out to confuse the
police investigation. Also very well trained on how to act like a
poor little patsy.

That's the craziest conspiracy theory I've heard this year.
As I said before, many WC defenders secretly harbor crazy conspiracy
theories.

We know from Marina these people were persons of interest to LHO. So
not crazy at all that he had a hit list.

Post by Anthony Marsh
I've even heard one kook claim that a Secret Service agent shot JFK in the head.

That is a theory by a ballistics expert and career Detective from
Australia. Neither one claimed it was intentional. Both said the SSA was
trying to shoot the sniper in the 6th floor window.

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh
Did you mean my CIA contacts?
You know who might have the full report? Roger Moore.
Remmber when he went to Russia for a TV special and dug up all the
documents? Didn't the Russian President give the US all their documents
on Oswald several years ago? File a FOIA request.

No Russian officials admit LHO was anything but an oddball they wanted
nothing to do with. As one said, he was a "tumbleweed" they had no use
for.

Yes, I believe Yuri.

Was he one of your KGB contacts?

No. Again I did nor have KGB contacts.

[claviger]

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
You have no idea what he did for 4 years in the Soviet Union. Spetsnaz
had 4 years to teach him how to use a scope. Not that hard to learn on
the local practice range.

I like your new conspiracy theory, but you know nothing about guns in
the Soviet Union. His KGB watchers took him out hunting and he couldn't
hit anything. His watch above his apartment knew what he was doing and
knew that he dididn't have a gun.

So your KGB contacts gave you a full report on the 4 years LHO spent in the
Soviet Union?

I have no KGB contacts.

Therefore you have no idea if LHO was trained by Spetsnaz for 4 years to
be a KGB sniper one day. If he ever had the opportunity to go back to the

We know that he was not.

Who is we? Are you KGB? Supposedly they kept a 24 hour watch on him and
bugged his apartment. They are the only "We" who can make that statement.

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
USA he was well trained to kill a number of targets: General Walker,
Richard Nixon, Adlai Stevenson, Governor Connelly, or even President
Kennedy. LHO would be so well trained he could do it with a milsurp
rifle. He was to bang the scope hard on the way out to confuse the
police investigation. Also very well trained on how to act like a
poor little patsy.

That's the craziest conspiracy theory I've heard this year.
As I said before, many WC defenders secretly harbor crazy conspiracy
theories.

We know from Marina these people were persons of interest to LHO. So
not crazy at all that he had a hit list.

Post by Anthony Marsh
I've even heard one kook claim that a Secret Service agent shot JFK in the head.

That is a theory by a ballistics expert and career Detective from
Australia. Neither one claimed it was intentional. Both said the SSA was
trying to shoot the sniper in the 6th floor window.

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh
Did you mean my CIA contacts?
You know who might have the full report? Roger Moore.
Remmber when he went to Russia for a TV special and dug up all the
documents? Didn't the Russian President give the US all their documents
on Oswald several years ago? File a FOIA request.

No Russian officials admit LHO was anything but an oddball they wanted
nothing to do with. As one said, he was a "tumbleweed" they had no use
for.

Yes, I believe Yuri.

Was he one of your KGB contacts?

No. Again I did nor have KGB contacts.

Then you have no idea what LHO did or didn't do in Minsk for 4 years.
He was an ex-serviceman from a foreign country. No curiosity to fire
an AK47? His hero Fidel Castro had been a sniper. To impress him one
day LHO may have asked for sniper training, officially or unofficially.

[Anthony Marsh]

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
You have no idea what he did for 4 years in the Soviet Union. Spetsnaz
had 4 years to teach him how to use a scope. Not that hard to learn on
the local practice range.

I like your new conspiracy theory, but you know nothing about guns in
the Soviet Union. His KGB watchers took him out hunting and he couldn't
hit anything. His watch above his apartment knew what he was doing and
knew that he dididn't have a gun.

So your KGB contacts gave you a full report on the 4 years LHO spent in the
Soviet Union?

I have no KGB contacts.

Therefore you have no idea if LHO was trained by Spetsnaz for 4 years to
be a KGB sniper one day. If he ever had the opportunity to go back to the

We know that he was not.

Who is we? Are you KGB? Supposedly they kept a 24 hour watch on him and
bugged his apartment. They are the only "We" who can make that statement.

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
USA he was well trained to kill a number of targets: General Walker,
Richard Nixon, Adlai Stevenson, Governor Connelly, or even President
Kennedy. LHO would be so well trained he could do it with a milsurp
rifle. He was to bang the scope hard on the way out to confuse the
police investigation. Also very well trained on how to act like a
poor little patsy.

That's the craziest conspiracy theory I've heard this year.
As I said before, many WC defenders secretly harbor crazy conspiracy
theories.

We know from Marina these people were persons of interest to LHO. So
not crazy at all that he had a hit list.

Post by Anthony Marsh
I've even heard one kook claim that a Secret Service agent shot JFK in the head.

That is a theory by a ballistics expert and career Detective from
Australia. Neither one claimed it was intentional. Both said the SSA was
trying to shoot the sniper in the 6th floor window.

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh
Did you mean my CIA contacts?
You know who might have the full report? Roger Moore.
Remmber when he went to Russia for a TV special and dug up all the
documents? Didn't the Russian President give the US all their documents
on Oswald several years ago? File a FOIA request.

No Russian officials admit LHO was anything but an oddball they wanted
nothing to do with. As one said, he was a "tumbleweed" they had no use
for.

Yes, I believe Yuri.

Was he one of your KGB contacts?

No. Again I did nor have KGB contacts.

Then you have no idea what LHO did or didn't do in Minsk for 4 years.

Yes, we do. He was under constant surveillance.

Post by claviger
He was an ex-serviceman from a foreign country. No curiosity to fire
an AK47? His hero Fidel Castro had been a sniper. To impress him one

No.

Post by claviger
day LHO may have asked for sniper training, officially or unofficially.

No.

[claviger]

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
You have no idea what he did for 4 years in the Soviet Union. Spetsnaz
had 4 years to teach him how to use a scope. Not that hard to learn on
the local practice range.

I like your new conspiracy theory, but you know nothing about guns in
the Soviet Union. His KGB watchers took him out hunting and he couldn't
hit anything. His watch above his apartment knew what he was doing and
knew that he dididn't have a gun.

So your KGB contacts gave you a full report on the 4 years LHO spent in the
Soviet Union?

I have no KGB contacts.

Therefore you have no idea if LHO was trained by Spetsnaz for 4 years to
be a KGB sniper one day. If he ever had the opportunity to go back to the

We know that he was not.

Who is we? Are you KGB? Supposedly they kept a 24 hour watch on him and
bugged his apartment. They are the only "We" who can make that statement.

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
USA he was well trained to kill a number of targets: General Walker,
Richard Nixon, Adlai Stevenson, Governor Connelly, or even President
Kennedy. LHO would be so well trained he could do it with a milsurp
rifle. He was to bang the scope hard on the way out to confuse the
police investigation. Also very well trained on how to act like a
poor little patsy.

That's the craziest conspiracy theory I've heard this year.
As I said before, many WC defenders secretly harbor crazy conspiracy
theories.

We know from Marina these people were persons of interest to LHO. So
not crazy at all that he had a hit list.

Post by Anthony Marsh
I've even heard one kook claim that a Secret Service agent shot JFK in the head.

That is a theory by a ballistics expert and career Detective from
Australia. Neither one claimed it was intentional. Both said the SSA was
trying to shoot the sniper in the 6th floor window.

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh
Did you mean my CIA contacts?
You know who might have the full report? Roger Moore.
Remmber when he went to Russia for a TV special and dug up all the
documents? Didn't the Russian President give the US all their documents
on Oswald several years ago? File a FOIA request.

No Russian officials admit LHO was anything but an oddball they wanted
nothing to do with. As one said, he was a "tumbleweed" they had no use
for.

Yes, I believe Yuri.

Was he one of your KGB contacts?

No. Again I did nor have KGB contacts.

Then you have no idea what LHO did or didn't do in Minsk for 4 years.

Yes, we do. He was under constant surveillance.

Post by claviger
He was an ex-serviceman from a foreign country. No curiosity to fire
an AK47? His hero Fidel Castro had been a sniper. To impress him one

No.

Very strong indications LHO wanted to be a Cuban hero. What better way to
accomplish that goal than take out the US President who ordered a blockade
on the island of Cuba and boycott of Cuba's number one cash crop export.

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
day LHO may have asked for sniper training, officially or unofficially.

No.

How would you know? Were you getting weekly updates from the KGB?

[Anthony Marsh]

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Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
You have no idea what he did for 4 years in the Soviet Union. Spetsnaz
had 4 years to teach him how to use a scope. Not that hard to learn on
the local practice range.

I like your new conspiracy theory, but you know nothing about guns in
the Soviet Union. His KGB watchers took him out hunting and he couldn't
hit anything. His watch above his apartment knew what he was doing and
knew that he dididn't have a gun.

So your KGB contacts gave you a full report on the 4 years LHO spent in the
Soviet Union?

I have no KGB contacts.

Therefore you have no idea if LHO was trained by Spetsnaz for 4 years to
be a KGB sniper one day. If he ever had the opportunity to go back to the

We know that he was not.

Who is we? Are you KGB? Supposedly they kept a 24 hour watch on him and
bugged his apartment. They are the only "We" who can make that statement.

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
USA he was well trained to kill a number of targets: General Walker,
Richard Nixon, Adlai Stevenson, Governor Connelly, or even President
Kennedy. LHO would be so well trained he could do it with a milsurp
rifle. He was to bang the scope hard on the way out to confuse the
police investigation. Also very well trained on how to act like a
poor little patsy.

That's the craziest conspiracy theory I've heard this year.
As I said before, many WC defenders secretly harbor crazy conspiracy
theories.

We know from Marina these people were persons of interest to LHO. So
not crazy at all that he had a hit list.

Post by Anthony Marsh
I've even heard one kook claim that a Secret Service agent shot JFK in the head.

That is a theory by a ballistics expert and career Detective from
Australia. Neither one claimed it was intentional. Both said the SSA was
trying to shoot the sniper in the 6th floor window.

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh
Did you mean my CIA contacts?
You know who might have the full report? Roger Moore.
Remmber when he went to Russia for a TV special and dug up all the
documents? Didn't the Russian President give the US all their documents
on Oswald several years ago? File a FOIA request.

No Russian officials admit LHO was anything but an oddball they wanted
nothing to do with. As one said, he was a "tumbleweed" they had no use
for.

Yes, I believe Yuri.

Was he one of your KGB contacts?

No. Again I did nor have KGB contacts.

Then you have no idea what LHO did or didn't do in Minsk for 4 years.

Yes, we do. He was under constant surveillance.

Post by claviger
He was an ex-serviceman from a foreign country. No curiosity to fire
an AK47? His hero Fidel Castro had been a sniper. To impress him one

No.

Very strong indications LHO wanted to be a Cuban hero. What better way to
accomplish that goal than take out the US President who ordered a blockade
on the island of Cuba and boycott of Cuba's number one cash crop export.

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
day LHO may have asked for sniper training, officially or unofficially.

No.

How would you know? Were you getting weekly updates from the KGB?

No. I did not say I knew at the time. No one was that interested in
Oswald at the time. We know NOW because of all the documents and
testimony from Russia.

[claviger]

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
Very strong indications LHO wanted to be a Cuban hero. What better way to
accomplish that goal than take out the US President who ordered a blockade
on the island of Cuba and boycott of Cuba's number one cash crop export.

Post by claviger
day LHO may have asked for sniper training, officially or unofficially.

No.

How would you know? Were you getting weekly updates from the KGB?

No. I did not say I knew at the time. No one was that interested in
Oswald at the time. We know NOW because of all the documents and
testimony from Russia.

Yes, we can be sure the Russians would never lie about a US defector
trained and brain washed to snipe the US President.

[Anthony Marsh]

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
Very strong indications LHO wanted to be a Cuban hero. What better way to
accomplish that goal than take out the US President who ordered a blockade
on the island of Cuba and boycott of Cuba's number one cash crop export.

Post by claviger
day LHO may have asked for sniper training, officially or unofficially.

No.

How would you know? Were you getting weekly updates from the KGB?

No. I did not say I knew at the time. No one was that interested in
Oswald at the time. We know NOW because of all the documents and
testimony from Russia.

Yes, we can be sure the Russians would never lie about a US defector
trained and brain washed to snipe the US President.

Diversion. Read the testimony of the Russian agents who defected.
I did not say anything about the KGB telling us about Oswald as part of
a disinformation project.

So your conspiracy theory is that the KGB trained Oswald to kill JFK?
Did they also train the SS agent? How far does your kooky conspiracy
theory go?

[claviger]

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
Very strong indications LHO wanted to be a Cuban hero. What better way to
accomplish that goal than take out the US President who ordered a blockade
on the island of Cuba and boycott of Cuba's number one cash crop export.

Post by claviger
day LHO may have asked for sniper training, officially or unofficially.

No.

How would you know? Were you getting weekly updates from the KGB?

No. I did not say I knew at the time. No one was that interested in
Oswald at the time. We know NOW because of all the documents and
testimony from Russia.

Yes, we can be sure the Russians would never lie about a US defector
trained and brain washed to snipe the US President.

Diversion. Read the testimony of the Russian agents who defected.
I did not say anything about the KGB telling us about Oswald as part of
a disinformation project.
So your conspiracy theory is that the KGB trained Oswald to kill JFK?
Did they also train the SS agent? How far does your kooky conspiracy
theory go?

LHO defected because he hated Free Enterprise which emphasizes talent,
education, and work ethic to compete. So he hated any system that rewards
individualism and competition. He wanted to be worthy of respect but his
only way to gain that international status is the take out the Soviet's
number nemesis, US President and Leader of the Free World John F Kennedy.

[claviger]

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
Very strong indications LHO wanted to be a Cuban hero. What better way to
accomplish that goal than take out the US President who ordered a blockade
on the island of Cuba and boycott of Cuba's number one cash crop export.

Post by claviger
day LHO may have asked for sniper training, officially or unofficially.

No.

How would you know? Were you getting weekly updates from the KGB?

No. I did not say I knew at the time. No one was that interested in
Oswald at the time. We know NOW because of all the documents and
testimony from Russia.

Yes, we can be sure the Russians would never lie about a US defector
trained and brain washed to snipe the US President.

Diversion. Read the testimony of the Russian agents who defected.
I did not say anything about the KGB telling us about Oswald as part of
a disinformation project.
So your conspiracy theory is that the KGB trained Oswald to kill JFK?
Did they also train the SS agent? How far does your kooky conspiracy
theory go?

LHO defected because he hated Free Enterprise which emphasizes talent,
education, and work ethic to compete. So he hated any system that rewards
individualism and competition. He wanted to be worthy of respect but his
only way to gain that international status is take out the Soviet's number one
nemesis, US President and Leader of the Free World John F Kennedy.

The hit on this US President was LHO's gift to international communism.

[claviger]

Post by claviger

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
Very strong indications LHO wanted to be a Cuban hero. What better way to
accomplish that goal than take out the US President who ordered a blockade
on the island of Cuba and boycott of Cuba's number one cash crop export.

Post by claviger
day LHO may have asked for sniper training, officially or unofficially.

No.

How would you know? Were you getting weekly updates from the KGB?

No. I did not say I knew at the time. No one was that interested in
Oswald at the time. We know NOW because of all the documents and
testimony from Russia.

Yes, we can be sure the Russians would never lie about a US defector
trained and brain washed to snipe the US President.

Diversion. Read the testimony of the Russian agents who defected.
I did not say anything about the KGB telling us about Oswald as part of
a disinformation project.
So your conspiracy theory is that the KGB trained Oswald to kill JFK?
Did they also train the SS agent? How far does your kooky conspiracy
theory go?

LHO defected because he hated Free Enterprise which emphasizes talent,
education, and work ethic to compete. So he hated any system that rewards
individualism and competition. He wanted to be worthy of respect but his
only way to gain that international status is take out the Soviet's number one
nemesis, US President and Leader of the Free World John F Kennedy.

The hit on this US President was LHO's gift to international communism.

LHO liked the idea of Socialism, which is nothing more than government
mandated mediocrity. He liked the idea of top down enforced equality to
the lowest common denominator, his level of competence. Ironically, he
rebelled against that concept when he unilaterally took lethal sanction to
remove the Number One Champion of Free Enterprise: President of the
United States of America and Leader of the Free World, John F Kennedy.

Unless he was trained and ordered to do this evil deed while living in the
USSR during his 4 years of residence there. Plenty of time to perfect his
skill with all kinds of rifles. Was it just a fluke the scope offset
favored a sniper on the 6th floor, or was this a carefully engineered
device to aid a designated Communist sniper?

[Anthony Marsh]

Post by claviger

Post by claviger

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
Very strong indications LHO wanted to be a Cuban hero. What better way to
accomplish that goal than take out the US President who ordered a blockade
on the island of Cuba and boycott of Cuba's number one cash crop export.

Post by claviger
day LHO may have asked for sniper training, officially or unofficially.

No.

How would you know? Were you getting weekly updates from the KGB?

No. I did not say I knew at the time. No one was that interested in
Oswald at the time. We know NOW because of all the documents and
testimony from Russia.

Yes, we can be sure the Russians would never lie about a US defector
trained and brain washed to snipe the US President.

Diversion. Read the testimony of the Russian agents who defected.
I did not say anything about the KGB telling us about Oswald as part of
a disinformation project.
So your conspiracy theory is that the KGB trained Oswald to kill JFK?
Did they also train the SS agent? How far does your kooky conspiracy
theory go?

LHO defected because he hated Free Enterprise which emphasizes talent,
education, and work ethic to compete. So he hated any system that rewards
individualism and competition. He wanted to be worthy of respect but his
only way to gain that international status is take out the Soviet's number one
nemesis, US President and Leader of the Free World John F Kennedy.

The hit on this US President was LHO's gift to international communism.

LHO liked the idea of Socialism, which is nothing more than government
mandated mediocrity. He liked the idea of top down enforced equality to

Something like that? Don't try to actually study it or you might become
a Communist!

Post by claviger
the lowest common denominator, his level of competence. Ironically, he
rebelled against that concept when he unilaterally took lethal sanction to
remove the Number One Champion of Free Enterprise: President of the
United States of America and Leader of the Free World, John F Kennedy.

Well. I liked how you waved the flag this time.
That makes up for all the other times you insulted JFK.

Post by claviger
Unless he was trained and ordered to do this evil deed while living in the
USSR during his 4 years of residence there. Plenty of time to perfect his
skill with all kinds of rifles. Was it just a fluke the scope offset
favored a sniper on the 6th floor, or was this a carefully engineered
device to aid a designated Communist sniper?

Is that YOUR conspiracy theory? Have you copyrighted it yet?

[claviger]

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Post by claviger

Post by claviger

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
Very strong indications LHO wanted to be a Cuban hero. What better way to
accomplish that goal than take out the US President who ordered a blockade
on the island of Cuba and boycott of Cuba's number one cash crop export.

Post by claviger
day LHO may have asked for sniper training, officially or unofficially.

No.

How would you know? Were you getting weekly updates from the KGB?

No. I did not say I knew at the time. No one was that interested in
Oswald at the time. We know NOW because of all the documents and
testimony from Russia.

Yes, we can be sure the Russians would never lie about a US defector
trained and brain washed to snipe the US President.

Diversion. Read the testimony of the Russian agents who defected.
I did not say anything about the KGB telling us about Oswald as part of
a disinformation project.
So your conspiracy theory is that the KGB trained Oswald to kill JFK?
Did they also train the SS agent? How far does your kooky conspiracy
theory go?

LHO defected because he hated Free Enterprise which emphasizes talent,
education, and work ethic to compete. So he hated any system that rewards
individualism and competition. He wanted to be worthy of respect but his
only way to gain that international status is take out the Soviet's number one
nemesis, US President and Leader of the Free World John F Kennedy.

The hit on this US President was LHO's gift to international communism.

LHO liked the idea of Socialism, which is nothing more than government
mandated mediocrity. He liked the idea of top down enforced equality to

Something like that? Don't try to actually study it or you might become
a Communist!

A stark system of commonizing every citizen to the lowest common
denominator. Exceptionalism is prohibited, unless you are a KGB sniper.

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
the lowest common denominator, his level of competence. Ironically, he
rebelled against that concept when he unilaterally took lethal sanction to
remove the Number One Champion of Free Enterprise: President of the
United States of America and Leader of the Free World, John F Kennedy.

Well. I liked how you waved the flag this time.
That makes up for all the other times you insulted JFK.

When did I ever insult JFK? I've made it clear I like JFK because he was
a true Conservative Democrat who lowered taxes which sparked a vigorous
economy with job growth. I don't care how many WH staffers he shagged or
movie stars or prostitutes. All willing sex partners who made grownup
decisions. I like the way he stood up to the Russians and kept the
pressure on Communist Cuba. I admire his support for NASA and the Space
Program. Most of all, I admire JFK because he paved the way for Ronald
Reagan, who paid attention and used the same combination of economic
growth and tough foreign policy.

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
Unless he was trained and ordered to do this evil deed while living in the
USSR during his 4 years of residence there. Plenty of time to perfect his
skill with all kinds of rifles. Was it just a fluke the scope offset
favored a sniper on the 6th floor, or was this a carefully engineered
device to aid a designated Communist sniper?

Is that YOUR conspiracy theory? Have you copyrighted it yet?

An obvious question that a person who studied Marxist philosophy as a
teenager and relocated to the USSR with animus toward the US political
system and then marries a pretty girl in his chosen political system, why
would he return to the country he so reviles?

[Amy Joyce]

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by claviger

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
Very strong indications LHO wanted to be a Cuban hero. What better way to
accomplish that goal than take out the US President who ordered a blockade
on the island of Cuba and boycott of Cuba's number one cash crop export.

Post by claviger
day LHO may have asked for sniper training, officially or unofficially.

No.

How would you know? Were you getting weekly updates from the KGB?

No. I did not say I knew at the time. No one was that interested in
Oswald at the time. We know NOW because of all the documents and
testimony from Russia.

Yes, we can be sure the Russians would never lie about a US defector
trained and brain washed to snipe the US President.

Diversion. Read the testimony of the Russian agents who defected.
I did not say anything about the KGB telling us about Oswald as part of
a disinformation project.
So your conspiracy theory is that the KGB trained Oswald to kill JFK?
Did they also train the SS agent? How far does your kooky conspiracy
theory go?

LHO defected because he hated Free Enterprise which emphasizes talent,
education, and work ethic to compete. So he hated any system that rewards
individualism and competition. He wanted to be worthy of respect but his
only way to gain that international status is take out the Soviet's number one
nemesis, US President and Leader of the Free World John F Kennedy.

The hit on this US President was LHO's gift to international communism.

LHO liked the idea of Socialism, which is nothing more than government
mandated mediocrity. He liked the idea of top down enforced equality to

Something like that? Don't try to actually study it or you might become
a Communist!

A stark system of commonizing every citizen to the lowest common
denominator. Exceptionalism is prohibited, unless you are a KGB sniper.

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
the lowest common denominator, his level of competence. Ironically, he
rebelled against that concept when he unilaterally took lethal sanction to
remove the Number One Champion of Free Enterprise: President of the
United States of America and Leader of the Free World, John F Kennedy.

Well. I liked how you waved the flag this time.
That makes up for all the other times you insulted JFK.

When did I ever insult JFK? I've made it clear I like JFK because he was
a true Conservative Democrat who lowered taxes which sparked a vigorous
economy with job growth. I don't care how many WH staffers he shagged or
movie stars or prostitutes. All willing sex partners who made grownup
decisions. I like the way he stood up to the Russians and kept the
pressure on Communist Cuba. I admire his support for NASA and the Space
Program. Most of all, I admire JFK because he paved the way for Ronald
Reagan, who paid attention and used the same combination of economic
growth and tough foreign policy.

I agree Claviger and thanks for the clarification as well as making those
points. An ongoing argument against political figures has regularly
become about their choice to engage in alleged questionable sexual
behavior, which is frankly no ones business but their own. I also admire
political figures that have openly discussed race and gender/sexuality
equality issues, and that didn't just dance around or simply use them to
promote other interests.

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
Unless he was trained and ordered to do this evil deed while living in the
USSR during his 4 years of residence there. Plenty of time to perfect his
skill with all kinds of rifles. Was it just a fluke the scope offset
favored a sniper on the 6th floor, or was this a carefully engineered
device to aid a designated Communist sniper?

Is that YOUR conspiracy theory? Have you copyrighted it yet?

An obvious question that a person who studied Marxist philosophy as a
teenager and relocated to the USSR with animus toward the US political
system and then marries a pretty girl in his chosen political system, why
would he return to the country he so reviles?

[Anthony Marsh]

Post by Amy Joyce

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by claviger

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
Very strong indications LHO wanted to be a Cuban hero. What better way to
accomplish that goal than take out the US President who ordered a blockade
on the island of Cuba and boycott of Cuba's number one cash crop export.

Post by claviger
day LHO may have asked for sniper training, officially or unofficially.

No.

How would you know? Were you getting weekly updates from the KGB?

No. I did not say I knew at the time. No one was that interested in
Oswald at the time. We know NOW because of all the documents and
testimony from Russia.

Yes, we can be sure the Russians would never lie about a US defector
trained and brain washed to snipe the US President.

Diversion. Read the testimony of the Russian agents who defected.
I did not say anything about the KGB telling us about Oswald as part of
a disinformation project.
So your conspiracy theory is that the KGB trained Oswald to kill JFK?
Did they also train the SS agent? How far does your kooky conspiracy
theory go?

LHO defected because he hated Free Enterprise which emphasizes talent,
education, and work ethic to compete. So he hated any system that rewards
individualism and competition. He wanted to be worthy of respect but his
only way to gain that international status is take out the Soviet's number one
nemesis, US President and Leader of the Free World John F Kennedy.

The hit on this US President was LHO's gift to international communism.

LHO liked the idea of Socialism, which is nothing more than government
mandated mediocrity. He liked the idea of top down enforced equality to

Something like that? Don't try to actually study it or you might become
a Communist!

A stark system of commonizing every citizen to the lowest common
denominator. Exceptionalism is prohibited, unless you are a KGB sniper.

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
the lowest common denominator, his level of competence. Ironically, he
rebelled against that concept when he unilaterally took lethal sanction to
remove the Number One Champion of Free Enterprise: President of the
United States of America and Leader of the Free World, John F Kennedy.

Well. I liked how you waved the flag this time.
That makes up for all the other times you insulted JFK.

When did I ever insult JFK? I've made it clear I like JFK because he was
a true Conservative Democrat who lowered taxes which sparked a vigorous
economy with job growth. I don't care how many WH staffers he shagged or
movie stars or prostitutes. All willing sex partners who made grownup
decisions. I like the way he stood up to the Russians and kept the
pressure on Communist Cuba. I admire his support for NASA and the Space
Program. Most of all, I admire JFK because he paved the way for Ronald
Reagan, who paid attention and used the same combination of economic
growth and tough foreign policy.

I agree Claviger and thanks for the clarification as well as making those
points. An ongoing argument against political figures has regularly

He insulted JFK by calling him a conservative.

Post by Amy Joyce
become about their choice to engage in alleged questionable sexual
behavior, which is frankly no ones business but their own. I also admire
political figures that have openly discussed race and gender/sexuality
equality issues, and that didn't just dance around or simply use them to
promote other interests.

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
Unless he was trained and ordered to do this evil deed while living in the
USSR during his 4 years of residence there. Plenty of time to perfect his
skill with all kinds of rifles. Was it just a fluke the scope offset
favored a sniper on the 6th floor, or was this a carefully engineered
device to aid a designated Communist sniper?

Is that YOUR conspiracy theory? Have you copyrighted it yet?

An obvious question that a person who studied Marxist philosophy as a
teenager and relocated to the USSR with animus toward the US political
system and then marries a pretty girl in his chosen political system, why
would he return to the country he so reviles?

[OHLeeRedux]

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by Amy Joyce

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by claviger

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
Very strong indications LHO wanted to be a Cuban hero. What better way to
accomplish that goal than take out the US President who ordered a blockade
on the island of Cuba and boycott of Cuba's number one cash crop export.

Post by claviger
day LHO may have asked for sniper training, officially or unofficially.

No.

How would you know? Were you getting weekly updates from the KGB?

No. I did not say I knew at the time. No one was that interested in
Oswald at the time. We know NOW because of all the documents and
testimony from Russia.

Yes, we can be sure the Russians would never lie about a US defector
trained and brain washed to snipe the US President.

Diversion. Read the testimony of the Russian agents who defected.
I did not say anything about the KGB telling us about Oswald as part of
a disinformation project.
So your conspiracy theory is that the KGB trained Oswald to kill JFK?
Did they also train the SS agent? How far does your kooky conspiracy
theory go?

LHO defected because he hated Free Enterprise which emphasizes talent,
education, and work ethic to compete. So he hated any system that rewards
individualism and competition. He wanted to be worthy of respect but his
only way to gain that international status is take out the Soviet's number one
nemesis, US President and Leader of the Free World John F Kennedy.

The hit on this US President was LHO's gift to international communism.

LHO liked the idea of Socialism, which is nothing more than government
mandated mediocrity. He liked the idea of top down enforced equality to

Something like that? Don't try to actually study it or you might become
a Communist!

A stark system of commonizing every citizen to the lowest common
denominator. Exceptionalism is prohibited, unless you are a KGB sniper.

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
the lowest common denominator, his level of competence. Ironically, he
rebelled against that concept when he unilaterally took lethal sanction to
remove the Number One Champion of Free Enterprise: President of the
United States of America and Leader of the Free World, John F Kennedy.

Well. I liked how you waved the flag this time.
That makes up for all the other times you insulted JFK.

When did I ever insult JFK? I've made it clear I like JFK because he was
a true Conservative Democrat who lowered taxes which sparked a vigorous
economy with job growth. I don't care how many WH staffers he shagged or
movie stars or prostitutes. All willing sex partners who made grownup
decisions. I like the way he stood up to the Russians and kept the
pressure on Communist Cuba. I admire his support for NASA and the Space
Program. Most of all, I admire JFK because he paved the way for Ronald
Reagan, who paid attention and used the same combination of economic
growth and tough foreign policy.

I agree Claviger and thanks for the clarification as well as making those
points. An ongoing argument against political figures has regularly

He insulted JFK by calling him a conservative.

Oh, stop crying, Anthony. You're quickly becoming a spectacle.

[Anthony Marsh]

Post by claviger

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
Very strong indications LHO wanted to be a Cuban hero. What better way to
accomplish that goal than take out the US President who ordered a blockade
on the island of Cuba and boycott of Cuba's number one cash crop export.

Post by claviger
day LHO may have asked for sniper training, officially or unofficially.

No.

How would you know? Were you getting weekly updates from the KGB?

No. I did not say I knew at the time. No one was that interested in
Oswald at the time. We know NOW because of all the documents and
testimony from Russia.

Yes, we can be sure the Russians would never lie about a US defector
trained and brain washed to snipe the US President.

Diversion. Read the testimony of the Russian agents who defected.
I did not say anything about the KGB telling us about Oswald as part of
a disinformation project.
So your conspiracy theory is that the KGB trained Oswald to kill JFK?
Did they also train the SS agent? How far does your kooky conspiracy
theory go?

LHO defected because he hated Free Enterprise which emphasizes talent,
education, and work ethic to compete. So he hated any system that rewards
individualism and competition. He wanted to be worthy of respect but his
only way to gain that international status is take out the Soviet's number one
nemesis, US President and Leader of the Free World John F Kennedy.

The hit on this US President was LHO's gift to international communism.

You're supposed to say that Oswald did it to impress Castro. Didn't you
get the memo?

[claviger]

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
Very strong indications LHO wanted to be a Cuban hero. What better way to
accomplish that goal than take out the US President who ordered a blockade
on the island of Cuba and boycott of Cuba's number one cash crop export.

Post by claviger
day LHO may have asked for sniper training, officially or unofficially.

No.

How would you know? Were you getting weekly updates from the KGB?

No. I did not say I knew at the time. No one was that interested in
Oswald at the time. We know NOW because of all the documents and
testimony from Russia.

Yes, we can be sure the Russians would never lie about a US defector
trained and brain washed to snipe the US President.

Diversion. Read the testimony of the Russian agents who defected.
I did not say anything about the KGB telling us about Oswald as part of
a disinformation project.
So your conspiracy theory is that the KGB trained Oswald to kill JFK?
Did they also train the SS agent? How far does your kooky conspiracy
theory go?

LHO defected because he hated Free Enterprise which emphasizes talent,
education, and work ethic to compete. So he hated any system that rewards
individualism and competition. He wanted to be worthy of respect but his
only way to gain that international status is take out the Soviet's number one
nemesis, US President and Leader of the Free World John F Kennedy.

The hit on this US President was LHO's gift to international communism.

You're supposed to say that Oswald did it to impress Castro.

Yes he did.

Post by Anthony Marsh
Didn't you get the memo?

Castro memo or KGB memo? You're on both cc right?

[Anthony Marsh]

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
Very strong indications LHO wanted to be a Cuban hero. What better way to
accomplish that goal than take out the US President who ordered a blockade
on the island of Cuba and boycott of Cuba's number one cash crop export.

Post by claviger
day LHO may have asked for sniper training, officially or unofficially.

No.

How would you know? Were you getting weekly updates from the KGB?

No. I did not say I knew at the time. No one was that interested in
Oswald at the time. We know NOW because of all the documents and
testimony from Russia.

Yes, we can be sure the Russians would never lie about a US defector
trained and brain washed to snipe the US President.

Diversion. Read the testimony of the Russian agents who defected.
I did not say anything about the KGB telling us about Oswald as part of
a disinformation project.
So your conspiracy theory is that the KGB trained Oswald to kill JFK?
Did they also train the SS agent? How far does your kooky conspiracy
theory go?

LHO defected because he hated Free Enterprise which emphasizes talent,
education, and work ethic to compete. So he hated any system that rewards

HMM, could be. Also could be that he was lured by the idea of Marxim and
worker's rights.

Post by claviger
individualism and competition. He wanted to be worthy of respect but
his only way to gain that international status is the take out the
Soviet's number nemesis, US President and Leader of the Free World John
F Kennedy.

Interesting theory? How does Walker fit in?

[claviger]

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
Very strong indications LHO wanted to be a Cuban hero. What better way to
accomplish that goal than take out the US President who ordered a blockade
on the island of Cuba and boycott of Cuba's number one cash crop export.

Post by claviger
day LHO may have asked for sniper training, officially or unofficially.

No.

How would you know? Were you getting weekly updates from the KGB?

No. I did not say I knew at the time. No one was that interested in
Oswald at the time. We know NOW because of all the documents and
testimony from Russia.

Yes, we can be sure the Russians would never lie about a US defector
trained and brain washed to snipe the US President.

Diversion. Read the testimony of the Russian agents who defected.
I did not say anything about the KGB telling us about Oswald as part of
a disinformation project.
So your conspiracy theory is that the KGB trained Oswald to kill JFK?

See the movie The Manchurian Candidate.

Post by Anthony Marsh
Did they also train the SS agent? How far does your kooky conspiracy
theory go?

What SS agent?

[Anthony Marsh]

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
Very strong indications LHO wanted to be a Cuban hero. What better way to
accomplish that goal than take out the US President who ordered a blockade
on the island of Cuba and boycott of Cuba's number one cash crop export.

Post by claviger
day LHO may have asked for sniper training, officially or unofficially.

No.

How would you know? Were you getting weekly updates from the KGB?

No. I did not say I knew at the time. No one was that interested in
Oswald at the time. We know NOW because of all the documents and
testimony from Russia.

Yes, we can be sure the Russians would never lie about a US defector
trained and brain washed to snipe the US President.

Diversion. Read the testimony of the Russian agents who defected.
I did not say anything about the KGB telling us about Oswald as part of
a disinformation project.
So your conspiracy theory is that the KGB trained Oswald to kill JFK?

See the movie The Manchurian Candidate.

Oswald was not captured and brainwashed. How about the female agent at
the Queen Bee? Can't you make up a cohesive conspiracy theory with her
influencing Oswald? How about adding MK/Ultra to it and LSD?
You could make is an e-book.

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh
Did they also train the SS agent? How far does your kooky conspiracy
theory go?

What SS agent?

YOUR SS agent, Hickey? You've forgotten your theory already?
You're worse than Chris.

[BOZ]

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by mainframetech

Post by Steve BH

Post by claviger
JFK Lancer
http://www.jfklancer.com/bymain.html
"To my friend George from Lee Oswald - 5/IV/63"
and, in Russian Cyrillic script: "Hunter of fascists ha-ha-ha!!!"

About as close to a signed confession as you're likely to get.
Particularly as both Oswald and DeMohrenschild's wives SAW the rifle with
their own eyes, about that time (Easter 1963) while the Oswalds were
living at the Neely address where the back yard photo was taken. Other
back yard photos were found in Oswald's belongings at capture. Oswald said
he didn't own a rifle. And that his head was pasted on another body in the
photo (his signature forged too, we suppose). But the date (5 April, 1963)
curiously is exactly right. Somebody will shoot at Walker just 5 days
later.
We have at least one negative. Not doctored (not possible in 1963). It is
matched to Oswald's camera, recovered at the Paine's after his capture, to
the exclusion of all others. Surveillance Photos of Walker's house are
also there, taken with the same camera. The rifle in the photo is a
Carcano (not a common weapon). It is a 91/38 Carcano (many other Carcanos
exist, but this is the type Oswald was shipped, and that was found in his
workplace, the TSBD, and that fired fired the bullet fragments found in
the FJK limo. It has a mark on the stock where Oswald's did (and the C2766
weapon found in the TSBD). Marina said she took the photos. The order for
the rifle is in Oswald's handwriting, using an Oswald alias from a card in
Oswald's pocket when captured, forged from Oswald's selective service card
(nobody else's-- there are distinctive marks). When found in the TSBD it
has Oswald's handprint on the barrel.
The pistol in the photo was found on Oswald at capture. The holster was
found in his rooming house. Though Oswald admitted the pistol was his (how
could he not?), he lied about where he got it. It was ordered by the same
alias used for the backyard photo and TSBD Carcano (and in Oswald's
writing) and using the same PO address. Which also was the address used to
send the copies of the Militant and The Worker to which Oswald subscribed
and that are shown in the backyard photo! These issues date from the same
time Oswald ordered the rifle (March 1963), and when he was shipped the
rifle and the pistol....
But you see, Oswald didn't do it. Incredible to say. ;')

There is no doubt that the rifle was Oswald's. But that doesn't mean
that he used it to fire on the motorcade.
When he got the rifle, he had his photo taken with it and his
literature to look more 'rough and ready' and rebellious to a group he
wanted to get in with. Probably so he could rat on them later to the
authorities. Once he got his photos, he rolled the rifle up in a blanket
and threw it in the garage. He never practiced with it, or he would have
discovered the problem with the scope and had it fixed, certainly before
taking shots at the POTUS.
Chris

Best place to discover a problem with a scope is on a firing range where
someone with experience can correct it. Doesn't take a genius to figure
that out.

Oswald had no experience with a scope.

DO YOU THINK HE USED LISTERINE?

[Steve BH]

Post by mainframetech

Post by Steve BH

Post by claviger
JFK Lancer
http://www.jfklancer.com/bymain.html
"To my friend George from Lee Oswald - 5/IV/63"
and, in Russian Cyrillic script: "Hunter of fascists ha-ha-ha!!!"

About as close to a signed confession as you're likely to get.
Particularly as both Oswald and DeMohrenschild's wives SAW the rifle with
their own eyes, about that time (Easter 1963) while the Oswalds were
living at the Neely address where the back yard photo was taken. Other
back yard photos were found in Oswald's belongings at capture. Oswald said
he didn't own a rifle. And that his head was pasted on another body in the
photo (his signature forged too, we suppose). But the date (5 April, 1963)
curiously is exactly right. Somebody will shoot at Walker just 5 days
later.
We have at least one negative. Not doctored (not possible in 1963). It is
matched to Oswald's camera, recovered at the Paine's after his capture, to
the exclusion of all others. Surveillance Photos of Walker's house are
also there, taken with the same camera. The rifle in the photo is a
Carcano (not a common weapon). It is a 91/38 Carcano (many other Carcanos
exist, but this is the type Oswald was shipped, and that was found in his
workplace, the TSBD, and that fired fired the bullet fragments found in
the FJK limo. It has a mark on the stock where Oswald's did (and the C2766
weapon found in the TSBD). Marina said she took the photos. The order for
the rifle is in Oswald's handwriting, using an Oswald alias from a card in
Oswald's pocket when captured, forged from Oswald's selective service card
(nobody else's-- there are distinctive marks). When found in the TSBD it
has Oswald's handprint on the barrel.
The pistol in the photo was found on Oswald at capture. The holster was
found in his rooming house. Though Oswald admitted the pistol was his (how
could he not?), he lied about where he got it. It was ordered by the same
alias used for the backyard photo and TSBD Carcano (and in Oswald's
writing) and using the same PO address. Which also was the address used to
send the copies of the Militant and The Worker to which Oswald subscribed
and that are shown in the backyard photo! These issues date from the same
time Oswald ordered the rifle (March 1963), and when he was shipped the
rifle and the pistol....
But you see, Oswald didn't do it. Incredible to say. ;')

There is no doubt that the rifle was Oswald's. But that doesn't mean
that he used it to fire on the motorcade.
When he got the rifle, he had his photo taken with it and his
literature to look more 'rough and ready' and rebellious to a group he
wanted to get in with. Probably so he could rat on them later to the
authorities. Once he got his photos, he rolled the rifle up in a blanket
and threw it in the garage. He never practiced with it, or he would have
discovered the problem with the scope and had it fixed, certainly before
taking shots at the POTUS.
Chris

The problem with the scope was a few inches at 100 yards. It would have
been just like Oswald to decide correct for it by aiming slightly low and
to the left. It is interesting that he high JFK about you'd expect from
his scope error, on a shot at center chest.

Knowing Oswald, he'd fired the rifle at least 16 times, as he had only 4
cartridges left, in an assassination which would normally have demanded a
full 6 shot clip.

[Anthony Marsh]

Post by Steve BH

Post by mainframetech

Post by Steve BH

Post by claviger
JFK Lancer
http://www.jfklancer.com/bymain.html
"To my friend George from Lee Oswald - 5/IV/63"
and, in Russian Cyrillic script: "Hunter of fascists ha-ha-ha!!!"

About as close to a signed confession as you're likely to get.
Particularly as both Oswald and DeMohrenschild's wives SAW the rifle with
their own eyes, about that time (Easter 1963) while the Oswalds were
living at the Neely address where the back yard photo was taken. Other
back yard photos were found in Oswald's belongings at capture. Oswald said
he didn't own a rifle. And that his head was pasted on another body in the
photo (his signature forged too, we suppose). But the date (5 April, 1963)
curiously is exactly right. Somebody will shoot at Walker just 5 days
later.
We have at least one negative. Not doctored (not possible in 1963). It is
matched to Oswald's camera, recovered at the Paine's after his capture, to
the exclusion of all others. Surveillance Photos of Walker's house are
also there, taken with the same camera. The rifle in the photo is a
Carcano (not a common weapon). It is a 91/38 Carcano (many other Carcanos
exist, but this is the type Oswald was shipped, and that was found in his
workplace, the TSBD, and that fired fired the bullet fragments found in
the FJK limo. It has a mark on the stock where Oswald's did (and the C2766
weapon found in the TSBD). Marina said she took the photos. The order for
the rifle is in Oswald's handwriting, using an Oswald alias from a card in
Oswald's pocket when captured, forged from Oswald's selective service card
(nobody else's-- there are distinctive marks). When found in the TSBD it
has Oswald's handprint on the barrel.
The pistol in the photo was found on Oswald at capture. The holster was
found in his rooming house. Though Oswald admitted the pistol was his (how
could he not?), he lied about where he got it. It was ordered by the same
alias used for the backyard photo and TSBD Carcano (and in Oswald's
writing) and using the same PO address. Which also was the address used to
send the copies of the Militant and The Worker to which Oswald subscribed
and that are shown in the backyard photo! These issues date from the same
time Oswald ordered the rifle (March 1963), and when he was shipped the
rifle and the pistol....
But you see, Oswald didn't do it. Incredible to say. ;')

There is no doubt that the rifle was Oswald's. But that doesn't mean
that he used it to fire on the motorcade.
When he got the rifle, he had his photo taken with it and his
literature to look more 'rough and ready' and rebellious to a group he
wanted to get in with. Probably so he could rat on them later to the
authorities. Once he got his photos, he rolled the rifle up in a blanket
and threw it in the garage. He never practiced with it, or he would have
discovered the problem with the scope and had it fixed, certainly before
taking shots at the POTUS.
Chris

The problem with the scope was a few inches at 100 yards. It would have
been just like Oswald to decide correct for it by aiming slightly low and
to the left. It is interesting that he high JFK about you'd expect from
his scope error, on a shot at center chest.

If he even knew about the error. He did not. He missed Walker by a
couple of inches and didn't know why.

Post by Steve BH
Knowing Oswald, he'd fired the rifle at least 16 times, as he had only 4
cartridges left, in an assassination which would normally have demanded a
full 6 shot clip.

Now, wait just a damn minute, here. WHatever happened to "One Shot, One
Kill?

[claviger]

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by Steve BH

Post by mainframetech

Post by Steve BH

Post by claviger
JFK Lancer
http://www.jfklancer.com/bymain.html
"To my friend George from Lee Oswald - 5/IV/63"
and, in Russian Cyrillic script: "Hunter of fascists ha-ha-ha!!!"

About as close to a signed confession as you're likely to get.
Particularly as both Oswald and DeMohrenschild's wives SAW the rifle with
their own eyes, about that time (Easter 1963) while the Oswalds were
living at the Neely address where the back yard photo was taken. Other
back yard photos were found in Oswald's belongings at capture. Oswald said
he didn't own a rifle. And that his head was pasted on another body in the
photo (his signature forged too, we suppose). But the date (5 April, 1963)
curiously is exactly right. Somebody will shoot at Walker just 5 days
later.
We have at least one negative. Not doctored (not possible in 1963). It is
matched to Oswald's camera, recovered at the Paine's after his capture, to
the exclusion of all others. Surveillance Photos of Walker's house are
also there, taken with the same camera. The rifle in the photo is a
Carcano (not a common weapon). It is a 91/38 Carcano (many other Carcanos
exist, but this is the type Oswald was shipped, and that was found in his
workplace, the TSBD, and that fired fired the bullet fragments found in
the FJK limo. It has a mark on the stock where Oswald's did (and the C2766
weapon found in the TSBD). Marina said she took the photos. The order for
the rifle is in Oswald's handwriting, using an Oswald alias from a card in
Oswald's pocket when captured, forged from Oswald's selective service card
(nobody else's-- there are distinctive marks). When found in the TSBD it
has Oswald's handprint on the barrel.
The pistol in the photo was found on Oswald at capture. The holster was
found in his rooming house. Though Oswald admitted the pistol was his (how
could he not?), he lied about where he got it. It was ordered by the same
alias used for the backyard photo and TSBD Carcano (and in Oswald's
writing) and using the same PO address. Which also was the address used to
send the copies of the Militant and The Worker to which Oswald subscribed
and that are shown in the backyard photo! These issues date from the same
time Oswald ordered the rifle (March 1963), and when he was shipped the
rifle and the pistol....
But you see, Oswald didn't do it. Incredible to say. ;')

There is no doubt that the rifle was Oswald's. But that doesn't mean
that he used it to fire on the motorcade.
When he got the rifle, he had his photo taken with it and his
literature to look more 'rough and ready' and rebellious to a group he
wanted to get in with. Probably so he could rat on them later to the
authorities. Once he got his photos, he rolled the rifle up in a blanket
and threw it in the garage. He never practiced with it, or he would have
discovered the problem with the scope and had it fixed, certainly before
taking shots at the POTUS.
Chris

The problem with the scope was a few inches at 100 yards. It would have
been just like Oswald to decide correct for it by aiming slightly low and
to the left. It is interesting that he high JFK about you'd expect from
his scope error, on a shot at center chest.

If he even knew about the error. He did not. He missed Walker by a
couple of inches and didn't know why.

Post by Steve BH
Knowing Oswald, he'd fired the rifle at least 16 times, as he had only 4
cartridges left, in an assassination which would normally have demanded a
full 6 shot clip.

Now, wait just a damn minute, here. WHatever happened to "One Shot, One
Kill?

LHO was not a designated sniper in the USMC. He was not using the
official USMC sniper rifle. Unless he was trained by Spetsnaz 4 years in
Minsk at the "hunting club" to be a Hunter of Fascists Xa-Xa-Xa! Maybe he
owed the Mafia and the Italian rifle was a signal his debt was paid. The
most likely scenario is he practiced at the local firing range enough to
shoot a slow moving target at short range from an elevated position with a
bolt action milsurp rifle.

[Anthony Marsh]

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by Steve BH

Post by mainframetech

Post by Steve BH

Post by claviger
JFK Lancer
http://www.jfklancer.com/bymain.html
"To my friend George from Lee Oswald - 5/IV/63"
and, in Russian Cyrillic script: "Hunter of fascists ha-ha-ha!!!"

About as close to a signed confession as you're likely to get.
Particularly as both Oswald and DeMohrenschild's wives SAW the rifle with
their own eyes, about that time (Easter 1963) while the Oswalds were
living at the Neely address where the back yard photo was taken. Other
back yard photos were found in Oswald's belongings at capture. Oswald said
he didn't own a rifle. And that his head was pasted on another body in the
photo (his signature forged too, we suppose). But the date (5 April, 1963)
curiously is exactly right. Somebody will shoot at Walker just 5 days
later.
We have at least one negative. Not doctored (not possible in 1963). It is
matched to Oswald's camera, recovered at the Paine's after his capture, to
the exclusion of all others. Surveillance Photos of Walker's house are
also there, taken with the same camera. The rifle in the photo is a
Carcano (not a common weapon). It is a 91/38 Carcano (many other Carcanos
exist, but this is the type Oswald was shipped, and that was found in his
workplace, the TSBD, and that fired fired the bullet fragments found in
the FJK limo. It has a mark on the stock where Oswald's did (and the C2766
weapon found in the TSBD). Marina said she took the photos. The order for
the rifle is in Oswald's handwriting, using an Oswald alias from a card in
Oswald's pocket when captured, forged from Oswald's selective service card
(nobody else's-- there are distinctive marks). When found in the TSBD it
has Oswald's handprint on the barrel.
The pistol in the photo was found on Oswald at capture. The holster was
found in his rooming house. Though Oswald admitted the pistol was his (how
could he not?), he lied about where he got it. It was ordered by the same
alias used for the backyard photo and TSBD Carcano (and in Oswald's
writing) and using the same PO address. Which also was the address used to
send the copies of the Militant and The Worker to which Oswald subscribed
and that are shown in the backyard photo! These issues date from the same
time Oswald ordered the rifle (March 1963), and when he was shipped the
rifle and the pistol....
But you see, Oswald didn't do it. Incredible to say. ;')

There is no doubt that the rifle was Oswald's. But that doesn't mean
that he used it to fire on the motorcade.
When he got the rifle, he had his photo taken with it and his
literature to look more 'rough and ready' and rebellious to a group he
wanted to get in with. Probably so he could rat on them later to the
authorities. Once he got his photos, he rolled the rifle up in a blanket
and threw it in the garage. He never practiced with it, or he would have
discovered the problem with the scope and had it fixed, certainly before
taking shots at the POTUS.
Chris

The problem with the scope was a few inches at 100 yards. It would have
been just like Oswald to decide correct for it by aiming slightly low and
to the left. It is interesting that he high JFK about you'd expect from
his scope error, on a shot at center chest.

If he even knew about the error. He did not. He missed Walker by a
couple of inches and didn't know why.

Post by Steve BH
Knowing Oswald, he'd fired the rifle at least 16 times, as he had only 4
cartridges left, in an assassination which would normally have demanded a
full 6 shot clip.

Now, wait just a damn minute, here. WHatever happened to "One Shot, One
Kill?

LHO was not a designated sniper in the USMC. He was not using the

Someone here was pretending that Oswald was a real sniper. I never said
in the USMC.

Post by claviger
official USMC sniper rifle. Unless he was trained by Spetsnaz 4 years in
Minsk at the "hunting club" to be a Hunter of Fascists Xa-Xa-Xa! Maybe he

Great new conspiracy theory, but you have absolutely no proof for it.

Post by claviger
owed the Mafia and the Italian rifle was a signal his debt was paid. The

Which Mafia? YOu mean the Italian Mafia so the rifle had to be Italian?
It was the cheapest he could buy with a scope already mounted.

Post by claviger
most likely scenario is he practiced at the local firing range enough to
shoot a slow moving target at short range from an elevated position with a
bolt action milsurp rifle.

What local firing range? WHat rifle? If he was such an excellent sniper,
how could he miss Walker at only 120 feet? You are pretty good at
thinking up crazy new theories, but not so good at answering simple
questions.

[claviger]

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
official USMC sniper rifle. Unless he was trained by Spetsnaz 4 years in
Minsk at the "hunting club" to be a Hunter of Fascists Xa-Xa-Xa! Maybe he

Great new conspiracy theory, but you have absolutely no proof for it.

That never slows you down from making up convoluted CTs. No matter how
hard you try and how much you really, really want there to be a sniper
behind the fence, there is proof whatsoever a shot was fired in that area.

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
owed the Mafia and the Italian rifle was a signal his debt was paid. The

Which Mafia? YOu mean the Italian Mafia so the rifle had to be Italian?
It was the cheapest he could buy with a scope already mounted.

Probably the right answer, but CTs like you read things into every detail.
Was the Italian rifle a sinister clue to let the underworld know the Mafia
was behind this hit on a US President?

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
most likely scenario is he practiced at the local firing range enough to
shoot a slow moving target at short range from an elevated position with a
bolt action milsurp rifle.

What local firing range?

The Sportsdrome that was 15 minutes from Irving and Oak Cliff.

WHat rifle?

He owned a milsurp rifle, but could have borrowed a rifle from contacts
we don't know about.

Post by Anthony Marsh
If he was such an excellent sniper, how could he miss Walker at only 120 feet?

That bullet hit a frame in the window that deflected the bullet. Walker
said the deflection saved his life.

Post by Anthony Marsh
You are pretty good at thinking up crazy new theories, but not so good
at answering simple questions.

I just did.

[claviger]

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
official USMC sniper rifle. Unless he was trained by Spetsnaz 4 years in
Minsk at the "hunting club" to be a Hunter of Fascists Xa-Xa-Xa! Maybe he

Great new conspiracy theory, but you have absolutely no proof for it.

That never slows you down from making up convoluted CTs. No matter how
hard you try and how much you really, really want there to be a sniper
behind the fence, there is NO proof whatsoever a shot was fired in that area.

No close witness heard a shot or saw a rifle or anyone behind the fence.
All the close witnesses heard shots from the direction of the TSBD.

[Anthony Marsh]

Post by claviger

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
official USMC sniper rifle. Unless he was trained by Spetsnaz 4 years in
Minsk at the "hunting club" to be a Hunter of Fascists Xa-Xa-Xa! Maybe he

Great new conspiracy theory, but you have absolutely no proof for it.

That never slows you down from making up convoluted CTs. No matter how
hard you try and how much you really, really want there to be a sniper
behind the fence, there is NO proof whatsoever a shot was fired in that area.

No close witness heard a shot or saw a rifle or anyone behind the fence.
All the close witnesses heard shots from the direction of the TSBD.

Nice qualifier. Name your CLOSE witnesses. Some witnesses said the shot
came from there.

[claviger]

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
official USMC sniper rifle. Unless he was trained by Spetsnaz 4 years in
Minsk at the "hunting club" to be a Hunter of Fascists Xa-Xa-Xa! Maybe he

Great new conspiracy theory, but you have absolutely no proof for it.

That never slows you down from making up convoluted CTs. No matter how
hard you try and how much you really, really want there to be a sniper
behind the fence, there is NO proof whatsoever a shot was fired in that area.

No close witness heard a shot or saw a rifle or anyone behind the fence.
All the close witnesses heard shots from the direction of the TSBD.

Nice qualifier. Name your CLOSE witnesses. Some witnesses said the shot
came from there.

So you can't figure out who the close witnesses are? I thought
you were an ace detective. Think of them as near witnesses.

close - In a position so as to be very near to someone
or something; with very little space between.

near - at or to a short distance away; nearby.

The nearest witnesses to your phantom sniper 9 feet west of the
corner on the wooden fence would be the three men standing on
the steps leading to the pergola: Hudson, Mudd, and the tall guy
in a sweater.

Next would be Zapruder and Sitzman. They have the advantage
of being able to see over the fence.

After them is the Hester couple.

Not one of these witnesses saw or heard a shot from the fence.

So good news/bad news: Your theory fails the commonsense test,
but does very well on the nonsense test.

[Anthony Marsh]

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
official USMC sniper rifle. Unless he was trained by Spetsnaz 4 years in
Minsk at the "hunting club" to be a Hunter of Fascists Xa-Xa-Xa! Maybe he

Great new conspiracy theory, but you have absolutely no proof for it.

That never slows you down from making up convoluted CTs. No matter how
hard you try and how much you really, really want there to be a sniper
behind the fence, there is NO proof whatsoever a shot was fired in that area.

No close witness heard a shot or saw a rifle or anyone behind the fence.
All the close witnesses heard shots from the direction of the TSBD.

Nice qualifier. Name your CLOSE witnesses. Some witnesses said the shot
came from there.

So you can't figure out who the close witnesses are? I thought
you were an ace detective. Think of them as near witnesses.
close - In a position so as to be very near to someone
or something; with very little space between.
near - at or to a short distance away; nearby.
The nearest witnesses to your phantom sniper 9 feet west of the
corner on the wooden fence would be the three men standing on
the steps leading to the pergola: Hudson, Mudd, and the tall guy
in a sweater.

Your nade up witnesses. We already know what Hudson said:


Subject: Emmet J.Hubson
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:05:35 +0300
From: "Voyager" <***@dmail.com>
Organization: Hellenic Telecommunications & Telematics Applications
Company FORTHnet S.A., Thetidos 6, GR-11528 Athens, Greece, Tel: +30 (1)
7295100, Fax: [phone], url: http://www.forthnet.gr
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk

VOLUNTARY STATEMENT. Not Under Arrest Form No. 86
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT

COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS

Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 22nd day of November A.D.
1963 personally appeared Emmett Joseph Hudson, Address 107 South Bishop,
Dallas, Texas Age 56 , Phone No. WH 2-2008

Deposes and says:

I am presently employed by the City of Dallas, Texas in the Park
Department. I have been so employed for the past 6 years. My position is
to take care of the property on the West side of Houston Street between
Houston Street and the Tripple [sic] Underpass. I also take care of the
fountain in front of the Union Terminal. This day a was sitting on the
front steps of the sloping area and about half way down the steps. There
was another man sitting there with me. He was sitting on my left and we
were both facing the street with our backs to the railroad yards and the
brick building. At the same time the President's car was directly in front
of us, I heard a shot and I saw the President fall over in the seat. I do
not know who this other man was that was sitting beside me. In our
conversation he talked about having a hard time finding a place to park.
He also talked about working somewhere over on Industrial Blvd. This man
said Lay down and we did. I definately [sic] heard 3 shots. The shots that
I heard definately [sic] came from behind and above me. When I laid down
on the ground I laid on my right side and my view was still toward the
street where the President's car had passed. I did look around but I did
not see any firearms at all. This shot sounded to me like a high powered
rifle.

/s/ Emmett J. Hudson

Subscribed and sworn to before me on this the 22nd day of Nov A. D. 1963


BEHIND is the fence not the TSBD.
Get a map.

Post by claviger
Next would be Zapruder and Sitzman. They have the advantage
of being able to see over the fence.

Zapruder said the assasin was BEHIND him.

Post by claviger
After them is the Hester couple.
Not one of these witnesses saw or heard a shot from the fence.

I never said that said the fence itself. Just that direction.

Post by claviger
So good news/bad news: Your theory fails the commonsense test,
but does very well on the nonsense test.

Read the damn documents.

[claviger]

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
official USMC sniper rifle. Unless he was trained by Spetsnaz 4 years in
Minsk at the "hunting club" to be a Hunter of Fascists Xa-Xa-Xa! Maybe he

Great new conspiracy theory, but you have absolutely no proof for it.

That never slows you down from making up convoluted CTs. No matter how
hard you try and how much you really, really want there to be a sniper
behind the fence, there is NO proof whatsoever a shot was fired in that area.

No close witness heard a shot or saw a rifle or anyone behind the fence.
All the close witnesses heard shots from the direction of the TSBD.

Nice qualifier. Name your CLOSE witnesses. Some witnesses said the shot
came from there.

So you can't figure out who the close witnesses are? I thought
you were an ace detective. Think of them as near witnesses.
close - In a position so as to be very near to someone
or something; with very little space between.
near - at or to a short distance away; nearby.
The nearest witnesses to your phantom sniper 9 feet west of the
corner on the wooden fence would be the three men standing on
the steps leading to the pergola: Hudson, Mudd, and the tall guy
in a sweater.

Subject: Emmet J.Hubson
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:05:35 +0300
Organization: Hellenic Telecommunications & Telematics Applications
Company FORTHnet S.A., Thetidos 6, GR-11528 Athens, Greece, Tel: +30 (1)
7295100, Fax: [phone], url: http://www.forthnet.gr
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
VOLUNTARY STATEMENT. Not Under Arrest Form No. 86
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS
Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 22nd day of November A.D.
1963 personally appeared Emmett Joseph Hudson, Address 107 South Bishop,
Dallas, Texas Age 56 , Phone No. WH 2-2008
I am presently employed by the City of Dallas, Texas in the Park
Department. I have been so employed for the past 6 years. My position is
to take care of the property on the West side of Houston Street between
Houston Street and the Tripple [sic] Underpass. I also take care of the
fountain in front of the Union Terminal. This day a was sitting on the
front steps of the sloping area and about half way down the steps. There
was another man sitting there with me. He was sitting on my left and we
were both facing the street with our backs to the railroad yards and the
brick building. At the same time the President's car was directly in front
of us, I heard a shot and I saw the President fall over in the seat. I do
not know who this other man was that was sitting beside me. In our
conversation he talked about having a hard time finding a place to park.
He also talked about working somewhere over on Industrial Blvd. This man
said Lay down and we did. I definately [sic] heard 3 shots. The shots that
I heard definately [sic] came from behind and above me. When I laid down
on the ground I laid on my right side and my view was still toward the
street where the President's car had passed. I did look around but I did
not see any firearms at all. This shot sounded to me like a high powered
rifle.
/s/ Emmett J. Hudson
Subscribed and sworn to before me on this the 22nd day of Nov A. D. 1963
BEHIND is the fence not the TSBD.
Get a map.

Why do you never post this?

Hudson, Emmett J WC Testimony
TESTIMONY OF EMMET J. HUDSON
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/hudson.htm

Mr. LIEBELER - After you heard these three shots and saw the president get
hit in the head, you turned around and you ran up on the little knoll
there and you got away.

Mr. HUDSON - Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER - While you were standing there, did you ever look toward the
railroad tracks there where they went across the triple underpass?

Mr. HUDSON - No, sir; while I was laying there I didn't - I was looking
down towards Elm Street.

Mr. LIEBELER - So, you never looked up towards the railroad tracks that
went across the underpass?

Mr. HUDSON - No, sir.

Mr. LIEBELER - But you are quite sure in your own mind that the shots came
from the rear of the President's car and above it; is that correct?

Mr. HUDSON - Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER - Did you have any idea that they might have come from the
Texas School Book Depository Building?

Mr. HUDSON - Well, it sounded like it was high, you know, from above and
kind of behind like - in other words, to the left.

Mr. LIEBELER - And that would have fit in with the Texas School Book
Depository, wouldn't it?

Mr. HUDSON - Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER - Did you look up there and see if you could see anybody?

Mr. HUDSON - No, sir; I didn't. I never thought about looking up that way,
to tell you the truth about it.

Mr. LIEBELER - Did you see anybody standing around there any place with a
rifle - on the grassy spot up there near where you were standing or on the
overpass or anyplace else?

Mr. HUDSON - I never seen anyone with a gun up there except the patrols.

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
Next would be Zapruder and Sitzman. They have the advantage
of being able to see over the fence.

Zapruder said the assasin was BEHIND him.

Behind him was Marilyn Sitzman. Behind her was the Pergola. Behind the
Pergola was the parking lot. Behind the parking lot is the RR Tower where
Lee Bowers is sitting on the second floor behind a large window where he
can see the area behind the fence. He saw nobody standing there when
shots were fired. You lose again.

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
After them is the Hester couple.
Not one of these witnesses saw or heard a shot from the fence.

I never said that said the fence itself. Just that direction.

You said a head above the fence can be seen in the Moorman photo.

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
So good news/bad news: Your theory fails the commonsense test,
but does very well on the nonsense test.

Read the damn documents.

I just did. Why do you try to bluff your way through a debate when anyone
on the Newsgroup can look up witness testimony and read you are misstating
facts and what witnesses testified to? That isn't clever, it is inane and
vacuous.

[Anthony Marsh]

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger

Post by claviger

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
official USMC sniper rifle. Unless he was trained by Spetsnaz 4 years in
Minsk at the "hunting club" to be a Hunter of Fascists Xa-Xa-Xa! Maybe he

Great new conspiracy theory, but you have absolutely no proof for it.

That never slows you down from making up convoluted CTs. No matter how
hard you try and how much you really, really want there to be a sniper
behind the fence, there is NO proof whatsoever a shot was fired in that area.

No close witness heard a shot or saw a rifle or anyone behind the fence.
All the close witnesses heard shots from the direction of the TSBD.

Nice qualifier. Name your CLOSE witnesses. Some witnesses said the shot
came from there.

So you can't figure out who the close witnesses are? I thought
you were an ace detective. Think of them as near witnesses.
close - In a position so as to be very near to someone
or something; with very little space between.
near - at or to a short distance away; nearby.
The nearest witnesses to your phantom sniper 9 feet west of the
corner on the wooden fence would be the three men standing on
the steps leading to the pergola: Hudson, Mudd, and the tall guy
in a sweater.

Subject: Emmet J.Hubson
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:05:35 +0300
Organization: Hellenic Telecommunications & Telematics Applications
Company FORTHnet S.A., Thetidos 6, GR-11528 Athens, Greece, Tel: +30 (1)
7295100, Fax: [phone], url: http://www.forthnet.gr
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
VOLUNTARY STATEMENT. Not Under Arrest Form No. 86
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS
Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 22nd day of November A.D.
1963 personally appeared Emmett Joseph Hudson, Address 107 South Bishop,
Dallas, Texas Age 56 , Phone No. WH 2-2008
I am presently employed by the City of Dallas, Texas in the Park
Department. I have been so employed for the past 6 years. My position is
to take care of the property on the West side of Houston Street between
Houston Street and the Tripple [sic] Underpass. I also take care of the
fountain in front of the Union Terminal. This day a was sitting on the
front steps of the sloping area and about half way down the steps. There
was another man sitting there with me. He was sitting on my left and we
were both facing the street with our backs to the railroad yards and the
brick building. At the same time the President's car was directly in front
of us, I heard a shot and I saw the President fall over in the seat. I do
not know who this other man was that was sitting beside me. In our
conversation he talked about having a hard time finding a place to park.
He also talked about working somewhere over on Industrial Blvd. This man
said Lay down and we did. I definately [sic] heard 3 shots. The shots that
I heard definately [sic] came from behind and above me. When I laid down
on the ground I laid on my right side and my view was still toward the
street where the President's car had passed. I did look around but I did
not see any firearms at all. This shot sounded to me like a high powered
rifle.
/s/ Emmett J. Hudson
Subscribed and sworn to before me on this the 22nd day of Nov A. D. 1963
BEHIND is the fence not the TSBD.
Get a map.

Why do you never post this?
Hudson, Emmett J WC Testimony
TESTIMONY OF EMMET J. HUDSON
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/hudson.htm
Mr. LIEBELER - After you heard these three shots and saw the president get
hit in the head, you turned around and you ran up on the little knoll
there and you got away.
Mr. HUDSON - Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - While you were standing there, did you ever look toward the
railroad tracks there where they went across the triple underpass?
Mr. HUDSON - No, sir; while I was laying there I didn't - I was looking
down towards Elm Street.
Mr. LIEBELER - So, you never looked up towards the railroad tracks that
went across the underpass?
Mr. HUDSON - No, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER - But you are quite sure in your own mind that the shots came
from the rear of the President's car and above it; is that correct?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did you have any idea that they might have come from the
Texas School Book Depository Building?

Leading the witness.
Anyway, the acoustical evidence proved that 3 shot did come from the TSBD.

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Mr. HUDSON - Well, it sounded like it was high, you know, from above and
kind of behind like - in other words, to the left.
Mr. LIEBELER - And that would have fit in with the Texas School Book
Depository, wouldn't it?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did you look up there and see if you could see anybody?
Mr. HUDSON - No, sir; I didn't. I never thought about looking up that way,
to tell you the truth about it.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did you see anybody standing around there any place with a
rifle - on the grassy spot up there near where you were standing or on the
overpass or anyplace else?
Mr. HUDSON - I never seen anyone with a gun up there except the patrols.

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Next would be Zapruder and Sitzman. They have the advantage
of being able to see over the fence.

Zapruder said the assasin was BEHIND him.

Behind him was Marilyn Sitzman. Behind her was the Pergola. Behind the
Pergola was the parking lot. Behind the parking lot is the RR Tower where
Lee Bowers is sitting on the second floor behind a large window where he
can see the area behind the fence. He saw nobody standing there when
shots were fired. You lose again.

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After them is the Hester couple.
Not one of these witnesses saw or heard a shot from the fence.

I never said that said the fence itself. Just that direction.

You said a head above the fence can be seen in the Moorman photo.

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So good news/bad news: Your theory fails the commonsense test,
but does very well on the nonsense test.

Read the damn documents.

I just did. Why do you try to bluff your way through a debate when anyone
on the Newsgroup can look up witness testimony and read you are misstating
facts and what witnesses testified to? That isn't clever, it is inane and
vacuous.

[claviger]

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official USMC sniper rifle. Unless he was trained by Spetsnaz 4 years in
Minsk at the "hunting club" to be a Hunter of Fascists Xa-Xa-Xa! Maybe he

Great new conspiracy theory, but you have absolutely no proof for it.

That never slows you down from making up convoluted CTs. No matter how
hard you try and how much you really, really want there to be a sniper
behind the fence, there is NO proof whatsoever a shot was fired in that area.

No close witness heard a shot or saw a rifle or anyone behind the fence.
All the close witnesses heard shots from the direction of the TSBD.

Nice qualifier. Name your CLOSE witnesses. Some witnesses said the shot
came from there.

So you can't figure out who the close witnesses are? I thought
you were an ace detective. Think of them as near witnesses.
close - In a position so as to be very near to someone
or something; with very little space between.
near - at or to a short distance away; nearby.
The nearest witnesses to your phantom sniper 9 feet west of the
corner on the wooden fence would be the three men standing on
the steps leading to the pergola: Hudson, Mudd, and the tall guy
in a sweater.
Next would be Zapruder and Sitzman. They have the advantage
of being able to see over the fence.
After them is the Hester couple.
Not one of these witnesses saw or heard a shot from the fence.
So good news/bad news: Your theory fails the commonsense test,
but does very well on the nonsense test.

How about nearst witnesses or maybe witnearses? Does that help?
This concept being those people were in the best proximal position
to hear and see any activity and react to non-silenced weapons.

[Anthony Marsh]

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official USMC sniper rifle. Unless he was trained by Spetsnaz 4 years in
Minsk at the "hunting club" to be a Hunter of Fascists Xa-Xa-Xa! Maybe he

Great new conspiracy theory, but you have absolutely no proof for it.

That never slows you down from making up convoluted CTs. No matter how
hard you try and how much you really, really want there to be a sniper
behind the fence, there is proof whatsoever a shot was fired in that area.

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owed the Mafia and the Italian rifle was a signal his debt was paid. The

Which Mafia? YOu mean the Italian Mafia so the rifle had to be Italian?
It was the cheapest he could buy with a scope already mounted.

Probably the right answer, but CTs like you read things into every detail.
Was the Italian rifle a sinister clue to let the underworld know the Mafia
was behind this hit on a US President?

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most likely scenario is he practiced at the local firing range enough to
shoot a slow moving target at short range from an elevated position with a
bolt action milsurp rifle.

What local firing range?

The Sportsdrome that was 15 minutes from Irving and Oak Cliff.
WHat rifle?
He owned a milsurp rifle, but could have borrowed a rifle from contacts
we don't know about.

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If he was such an excellent sniper, how could he miss Walker at only 120 feet?

That bullet hit a frame in the window that deflected the bullet. Walker
said the deflection saved his life.

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You are pretty good at thinking up crazy new theories, but not so good
at answering simple questions.

I just did.

Nope. Do you think Oswald was aiming at the meeting rails?
Again, how could he miss at only 120 feet?

[Steve BH]

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What local firing range? WHat rifle? If he was such an excellent sniper,
how could he miss Walker at only 120 feet?

By aiming for his head-- a mistake he probably didn't make with JFK.

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You are pretty good at
thinking up crazy new theories, but not so good at answering simple
questions.

Yeah? Here's a simple question for you. If a rifle shoots high at 120
feet, how's it likely to do at 260 feet? Better, or worse? Do you think
Oswald was likely aiming for JFK's right scapula? Or his head? Or do you
think it more likely that he was aiming for "center body" like any sniper
is taught, and HIT the right neck base and right head?

[Anthony Marsh]

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Post by Anthony Marsh
What local firing range? WHat rifle? If he was such an excellent sniper,
how could he miss Walker at only 120 feet?

By aiming for his head-- a mistake he probably didn't make with JFK.

Post by Anthony Marsh
You are pretty good at
thinking up crazy new theories, but not so good at answering simple
questions.

Yeah? Here's a simple question for you. If a rifle shoots high at 120

That is not a simple question. It is a silly question. You know nothing
about rifles and have never shot one. It zeroed in and will hit
perfectly at the battle zero distance. Such as 200 meters. But it hits
high at about half of that distance, such as 100 meters.
Some rifles are worse than others, such as Oswald's Carcano.

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feet, how's it likely to do at 260 feet? Better, or worse? Do you think
Oswald was likely aiming for JFK's right scapula? Or his head? Or do you
think it more likely that he was aiming for "center body" like any sniper

I don't think it was Oswald, but the sniper may have been aiming at the
head because he couldn't see the back due to the cushion.

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is taught, and HIT the right neck base and right head?

Some snipers are taught to aim for the middle of the torso. Others are
trained to aim for the head to be sure of a kill.

I know that you refuse to look at things I post, but lurkers can see for
themselves that Whelen pointed out how the difference of only 25 yards
can cause a complete miss. Look at example A and then move the line up
to the head and see where the miss hits.

[Anthony Marsh]

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Post by Anthony Marsh
What local firing range? WHat rifle? If he was such an excellent sniper,
how could he miss Walker at only 120 feet?

By aiming for his head-- a mistake he probably didn't make with JFK.

Post by Anthony Marsh
You are pretty good at
thinking up crazy new theories, but not so good at answering simple
questions.

Yeah? Here's a simple question for you. If a rifle shoots high at 120
feet, how's it likely to do at 260 feet? Better, or worse? Do you think
Oswald was likely aiming for JFK's right scapula? Or his head? Or do you
think it more likely that he was aiming for "center body" like any sniper
is taught, and HIT the right neck base and right head?

Mid range trajectory height. Oswald's rifle/ammo produced a high curved
trajectory.


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[claviger]

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Now, wait just a damn minute, here. WHatever happened to "One Shot, One
Kill?

LHO was not a designated sniper in the USMC. He was not using the

Someone here was pretending that Oswald was a real sniper. I never said
in the USMC.

He was a trained Marine recruit who qualified at 300 yards. No record he
ever trained with a Marine sniper company. He was simply an average
Marine who earned two medals, Marksman and Sharpshooter. These medals
indicate he was average/above-average, not expert. Any Marine who can hit
a man size head-shoulder silhouette target at 300 yards, could easily hit
a similar sized target at less than 100 yards.

I think he was a self trained wannabe sniper to imitate his hero Fidel
Castro. He barely missed General Walker when the bullet hit a muntin in
the window that deflected the bullet enough to barely miss the intended
target. We will never know if LHO used the scope or fixed sight. The FBI
was of the opinion the scope defect favored the sniper. A fixed battle
sight would be sufficient to hit a man size target at close range.

Old saying: "The closer the target, the luckier the shooter."

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Post by claviger
official USMC sniper rifle. Unless he was trained by Spetsnaz 4 years in
Minsk at the "hunting club" to be a Hunter of Fascists Xa-Xa-Xa! Maybe

he Great new conspiracy theory, but you have absolutely no proof for it.

When has "absolutely no proof" ever stopped you from promoting the highly
dubious theory of a sniper behind fence?

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owed the Mafia and the Italian rifle was a signal his debt was paid. The

Which Mafia?

The original Mafia from Sicily that spread to Italy.

YOu mean the Italian Mafia so the rifle had to be Italian?

The obvious hint would be the symbolism of a weapon Made in Italy.

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It was the cheapest he could buy with a scope already mounted.

The scope was not already mounted. LHO had to pay extra.

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Post by claviger
most likely scenario is he practiced at the local firing range enough to
shoot a slow moving target at short range from an elevated position with a
bolt action milsurp rifle.

What local firing range? WHat rifle?

The new Sportsdrome firing range in near locality of Grand Prairie, close
to the City of Irving and the Oak Cliff neighborhood, both on the west
side of Dallas.

Post by Anthony Marsh
If he was such an excellent sniper, how could he miss Walker at only 120
feet?

No one ever said LHO was an excellent sniper. He was a barely adequate
sniper who took 3 shots to kill his intended target. White House staff
member Malcolm Kilduff believed LHO fired 3 missed shots that killed the
wrong passenger.

Post by Anthony Marsh
You are pretty good at thinking up crazy new theories, but not so good at
answering simple questions.

I have an experienced role model on this NG with a BS Degree in Jabberwocky.
"Imitation is the highest form of flattery."

[Anthony Marsh]

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Now, wait just a damn minute, here. WHatever happened to "One Shot, One
Kill?

LHO was not a designated sniper in the USMC. He was not using the

Someone here was pretending that Oswald was a real sniper. I never said
in the USMC.

He was a trained Marine recruit who qualified at 300 yards. No record he
ever trained with a Marine sniper company. He was simply an average
Marine who earned two medals, Marksman and Sharpshooter. These medals

Correction. Below average. Got the lowest score possible.

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indicate he was average/above-average, not expert. Any Marine who can hit
a man size head-shoulder silhouette target at 300 yards, could easily hit
a similar sized target at less than 100 yards.

Apples and oranges. The shooting tests done by Frazier and Cunningham
showed that his rifle was inaccurate. And you still have not answered my
question:
How could Oswald miss Walker at only 120 feet.

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I think he was a self trained wannabe sniper to imitate his hero Fidel

Maybe or maybe infiltrate the Cuban Exiles to spy on them for Castro.

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Castro. He barely missed General Walker when the bullet hit a muntin in
the window that deflected the bullet enough to barely miss the intended

How dare you use such language here! Why didn't the Cockney filter pick
that up?
Was he aiming at the meeting rails?
You still don't understand midrange trajectory height.

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target. We will never know if LHO used the scope or fixed sight. The FBI
was of the opinion the scope defect favored the sniper. A fixed battle

No, silly.

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sight would be sufficient to hit a man size target at close range.
Old saying: "The closer the target, the luckier the shooter."

Stupid saying by someone who knows nothing about guns.

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Post by claviger
official USMC sniper rifle. Unless he was trained by Spetsnaz 4 years in
Minsk at the "hunting club" to be a Hunter of Fascists Xa-Xa-Xa! Maybe

he Great new conspiracy theory, but you have absolutely no proof for it.

When has "absolutely no proof" ever stopped you from promoting the highly
dubious theory of a sniper behind fence?

Most of the witnesses said that shots came from the grassy knoll.
How do you explain the bullet hole in the forehead?
Why are you afraid to answer any questions?

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owed the Mafia and the Italian rifle was a signal his debt was paid. The

Which Mafia?

The original Mafia from Sicily that spread to Italy.
YOu mean the Italian Mafia so the rifle had to be Italian?
The obvious hint would be the symbolism of a weapon Made in Italy.

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It was the cheapest he could buy with a scope already mounted.

The scope was not already mounted. LHO had to pay extra.

But he didn't have to mount it himself.
Show me the mounting fee. Sophism.

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Post by claviger
most likely scenario is he practiced at the local firing range enough to
shoot a slow moving target at short range from an elevated position with a
bolt action milsurp rifle.

What local firing range? WHat rifle?

The new Sportsdrome firing range in near locality of Grand Prairie, close
to the City of Irving and the Oak Cliff neighborhood, both on the west
side of Dallas.

Post by Anthony Marsh
If he was such an excellent sniper, how could he miss Walker at only 120
feet?

No one ever said LHO was an excellent sniper. He was a barely adequate

Somebody here is claiming that Oswald was an excellent sniper.

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sniper who took 3 shots to kill his intended target. White House staff
member Malcolm Kilduff believed LHO fired 3 missed shots that killed the
wrong passenger.

Not exactly. Not misseed everything on the planet. That was the WC.

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Post by Anthony Marsh
You are pretty good at thinking up crazy new theories, but not so good at
answering simple questions.

I have an experienced role model on this NG with a BS Degree in Jabberwocky.
"Imitation is the highest form of flattery."

[BOZ]

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JFK Lancer
http://www.jfklancer.com/bymain.html
"To my friend George from Lee Oswald - 5/IV/63"
and, in Russian Cyrillic script: "Hunter of fascists ha-ha-ha!!!"

HOLDING THE MURDER WEAPON

[Anthony Marsh]

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JFK Lancer
http://www.jfklancer.com/bymain.html
"To my friend George from Lee Oswald - 5/IV/63"
and, in Russian Cyrillic script: "Hunter of fascists ha-ha-ha!!!"

HOLDING THE MURDER WEAPON

Excellent. Then try to claim that no one but Lee knew about his rifle.
And ignore the fact that George worked for the CIA.
Hide your head in the sand.

[Steve BH]

Preparatory to loaning it to Loy Factor.

“Hey, Mac, could I get into trouble for this?”

“Nah, we’re just gunna shoot the president a bit. Go down
down and have a Coke and chill.”