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2017-08-05 21:40:06 UTC
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 4:50 AM
Subject: California Door-to-Door Gun Confiscation FAIL
http://reason.com/blog/2016/03/17/confiscating-guns-more-costly-and-diffic
anotherSent: Friday, March 18, 2016 4:50 AM
Subject: California Door-to-Door Gun Confiscation FAIL
http://reason.com/blog/2016/03/17/confiscating-guns-more-costly-and-diffic
Back in 2013, as I reported then, California launched a program to
literally go door to door and confiscate guns owned by people whose
legal right to own them had been superseded by some later action or
declaration, such as criminal convictions, restraining orders, or
being adjudicated mentally ill.
Turns out that kind of pretty arbitrary, in the overwhelming majority
of times utterly unhelpful for public safety, action can cost big
bucks.
In May, the last $24 million allocated for the program will run out,
leaving nearly 12,000 Californians still owning their guns even though
the state would rather take them, as Associated Press reports. The
state's gun bureaucrats want to get that number down to 8,300 by next
year.
Which means, again, nearly four thousand citizens getting that ol'
knock on the door by the state coming to take their weapons away. And
gun controllers wonder why some people are suspicious of any form of
firearm ownership registration?
Attorney General of California Kamala Harris crowed about the law and
the practice in a press release last month, in which she made some
During the past 30 months, the Bureau of Firearms has conducted over
18,608 APPS [Armed Prohibited Persons System] cases, and has taken 335
assault weapons, 4,549 handguns, 4,848 long-guns, and 43,246 rounds of
ammunition off the streets from those who illegally possessed them....
"Removing firearms from dangerous and violent individuals makes our
communities safer," said Attorney General Harris.....
"Removing weapons from those on the Armed and Prohibited Persons list
targets law breakers and makes our community a safer place," said
Santa Barbara Sheriff Bill Brown.
The two above statements are very largely unproven, and it would be
interesting for them to discuss how many of the people they took the
weapons from had ever harmed or threatened anyone with them.
Unsurprisingly, regarding the funding issues discussed above, Attorney
sponsored SB 819 (Leno) to allow the Department of Justice to use
existing regulatory fees collected by gun dealers ("DROS fees") for
purposes of regulatory and enforcement activities related to firearms,
including management of APPS. This went into effect January 2012. In
2013, Attorney General Harris sponsored SB 140 (Leno) to appropriate
$24 million in funding from the DROS Account to help support the APPS
program; this urgency legislation went into effect immediately in May
2013. In 2015, Attorney General Harris submitted a letter urging the
legislature to make funding to the APPS program permanent.
literally go door to door and confiscate guns owned by people whose
legal right to own them had been superseded by some later action or
declaration, such as criminal convictions, restraining orders, or
being adjudicated mentally ill.
Turns out that kind of pretty arbitrary, in the overwhelming majority
of times utterly unhelpful for public safety, action can cost big
bucks.
In May, the last $24 million allocated for the program will run out,
leaving nearly 12,000 Californians still owning their guns even though
the state would rather take them, as Associated Press reports. The
state's gun bureaucrats want to get that number down to 8,300 by next
year.
Which means, again, nearly four thousand citizens getting that ol'
knock on the door by the state coming to take their weapons away. And
gun controllers wonder why some people are suspicious of any form of
firearm ownership registration?
Attorney General of California Kamala Harris crowed about the law and
the practice in a press release last month, in which she made some
During the past 30 months, the Bureau of Firearms has conducted over
18,608 APPS [Armed Prohibited Persons System] cases, and has taken 335
assault weapons, 4,549 handguns, 4,848 long-guns, and 43,246 rounds of
ammunition off the streets from those who illegally possessed them....
"Removing firearms from dangerous and violent individuals makes our
communities safer," said Attorney General Harris.....
"Removing weapons from those on the Armed and Prohibited Persons list
targets law breakers and makes our community a safer place," said
Santa Barbara Sheriff Bill Brown.
The two above statements are very largely unproven, and it would be
interesting for them to discuss how many of the people they took the
weapons from had ever harmed or threatened anyone with them.
Unsurprisingly, regarding the funding issues discussed above, Attorney
sponsored SB 819 (Leno) to allow the Department of Justice to use
existing regulatory fees collected by gun dealers ("DROS fees") for
purposes of regulatory and enforcement activities related to firearms,
including management of APPS. This went into effect January 2012. In
2013, Attorney General Harris sponsored SB 140 (Leno) to appropriate
$24 million in funding from the DROS Account to help support the APPS
program; this urgency legislation went into effect immediately in May
2013. In 2015, Attorney General Harris submitted a letter urging the
legislature to make funding to the APPS program permanent.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-12/california-seizes-guns-as-owners-lose-right-to-bear-arms.html
Interesting situation,
California Seizes Guns as Owners Lose Right to Keep Arms
---nine California (STOCA1) Justice Department agents assembled
---About 45 minutes later, they came away peacefully with three firearms
---20,000 gun owners in the state are prohibited from possessing firearms
--- (current) number of agents is 33
--- They seized about 2,000 weapons last year
So, let's figure, that sounds like over 10 year backlog, just to
get the known guns from criminals & unfit,
And some want to go after the law abiding & sane??!!
(key words- felon & sieze)
California Seizes Guns as Owners Lose Right to Keep Arms
---nine California (STOCA1) Justice Department agents assembled
---About 45 minutes later, they came away peacefully with three firearms
---20,000 gun owners in the state are prohibited from possessing firearms
--- (current) number of agents is 33
--- They seized about 2,000 weapons last year
So, let's figure, that sounds like over 10 year backlog, just to
get the known guns from criminals & unfit,
And some want to go after the law abiding & sane??!!
(key words- felon & sieze)