Ask EU Thunderbird again

[Jane Vernon]

ISTR a discussion in the past about a mobile version of Thunderbird.
I'm not sure if this would help me or not as I don't remember any
details of it.

I have two issues. (Yes, two issues, i.e. not necessarily related
things to do with Thunderbird, which may or may not also be classed as
problems. Issues.)

1. I like to keep in touch with people when I'm travelling but my email
addresses are all stored in Thunderbird. I use my Android tablet's own
email program so can receive and reply to emails but can't just decide
to email someone as I don't have my addresses with me. Is there some
easy way to have access to them on my tablet? I wouldn't mind
installing a version of Thunderbird to use instead of the Android
program if that helped.

2. I am gradually sorting out the backing up of all my data, using
chiefly Dropbox. However, AFAICS, this only works for files I can place
in Dropbox. I am still looking for a reliable and if possible automatic
way to regularly back up my Thunderbird profile, which I assume cannot
be kept in my Dropbox folder as it needs to be in Roaming for
Thunderbird to know where to find it. Is there a way to achieve this
backup? What do otherrats do? I have failed to remember to do it
manually at regular intervals.

TIA

[Penny]

On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 11:58:54 +0100, Jane Vernon

Post by Jane Vernon
1. I like to keep in touch with people when I'm travelling but my email
addresses are all stored in Thunderbird. I use my Android tablet's own
email program so can receive and reply to emails but can't just decide
to email someone as I don't have my addresses with me. Is there some
easy way to have access to them on my tablet? I wouldn't mind
installing a version of Thunderbird to use instead of the Android
program if that helped.

I gave up using email clients after the second hard disc became unavailable
to me. Saving emails in some other format is, of course, possible but I
hadn't done that.
These days I use gmail and find the fact I can access all contacts across
all devices really useful. I have yet to add my win10 machine to my network
but copying links to an email draft is a very simple way of passing them
between machines too.

I realise copying all your contacts into gmail would be a faff but might be
worth the effort? I believe you can configure gmail to receive mail from
other mail boxes (though I haven't done so myself).

OTOH I see there is are apps on offer which might be just what you are
looking for from the Playstore.
Thunderbird AB Sync - 61p
BirdieSync for Thunderbird - free

[BrritSki]

Post by Penny
On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 11:58:54 +0100, Jane Vernon

1. I like to keep in touch with people...

These days I use gmail and find the fact I can access all contacts across
all devices really useful.

YANAOU

[Jane Vernon]

Post by BrritSki

Post by Penny
On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 11:58:54 +0100, Jane Vernon

1. I like to keep in touch with people...

These days I use gmail and find the fact I can access all contacts across
all devices really useful.

YANAOU

For the few days a year I travel, not worth ditching my domain address,
unfortunately.

[Jane Vernon]

Post by Penny
On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 11:58:54 +0100, Jane Vernon

Post by Jane Vernon
1. I like to keep in touch with people when I'm travelling but my email
addresses are all stored in Thunderbird. I use my Android tablet's own
email program so can receive and reply to emails but can't just decide
to email someone as I don't have my addresses with me. Is there some
easy way to have access to them on my tablet? I wouldn't mind
installing a version of Thunderbird to use instead of the Android
program if that helped.

I gave up using email clients after the second hard disc became unavailable
to me. Saving emails in some other format is, of course, possible but I
hadn't done that.
These days I use gmail and find the fact I can access all contacts across
all devices really useful. I have yet to add my win10 machine to my network
but copying links to an email draft is a very simple way of passing them
between machines too.
I realise copying all your contacts into gmail would be a faff but might be
worth the effort? I believe you can configure gmail to receive mail from
other mail boxes (though I haven't done so myself).

I don't want to stop using my usual email address, though, and it's a
domain address, not gmail, so I don't think this would work, would it?

Post by Penny
OTOH I see there is are apps on offer which might be just what you are
looking for from the Playstore.
Thunderbird AB Sync - 61p

"What is this app and should you use it?" If you want it to synchronise
your address books you shouldn't use it!

Post by Penny
BirdieSync for Thunderbird - free

Yes, but you also need a 20 euro version on your PC.

Many thanks for the suggestions, though.

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by Jane Vernon

Post by Penny
I realise copying all your contacts into gmail would be a faff but might be
worth the effort? I believe you can configure gmail to receive mail from
other mail boxes (though I haven't done so myself).

I don't want to stop using my usual email address, though, and it's a
domain address, not gmail, so I don't think this would work, would it?

I'm sure you could use gmail with your current domain address very
easily, if you wanted to. All you'd have to do it change the email
forwarding details, with your domain host, to tell them to send your
emails to your gmail address, rather than to your current email inbox.

As far as I'm concerned, that's one of the main benefits in having a
domain address. It means you're not tied to one email provider but can
easily change your email system, without changing your address.

[Jenny M Benson]

Post by Serena Blanchflower
I'm sure you could use gmail with your current domain address very
easily, if you wanted to. All you'd have to do it change the email
forwarding details, with your domain host, to tell them to send your
emails to your gmail address, rather than to your current email inbox.

I have frequently done that when away from home for more than a day or
two. Gmail will also let me reply or send an e-mail using the relevant
domain address.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by Serena Blanchflower
I'm sure you could use gmail with your current domain address very
easily, if you wanted to. All you'd have to do it change the email
forwarding details, with your domain host, to tell them to send your
emails to your gmail address, rather than to your current email inbox.

I have frequently done that when away from home for more than a day or
two. Gmail will also let me reply or send an e-mail using the relevant
domain address.

Touch wood, PlusNet seem to let me send via their outgoing server, too,
wherever I am.

[krw]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Touch wood, PlusNet seem to let me send via their outgoing server, too,
wherever I am.

Do they? I think I tried that when I went back to them and it ended up
with me using yahoo - I must try it again.

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by krw

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Touch wood, PlusNet seem to let me send via their outgoing server,
too, wherever I am.

Do they? I think I tried that when I went back to them and it ended up
with me using yahoo - I must try it again.

IIRC, to use the PN Outgoing server, when you aren't connected via your
home broadbean, you have to include your PN username/password - I'm not
sure how you specify that though.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by krw

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Touch wood, PlusNet seem to let me send via their outgoing server,
too, wherever I am.

Do they? I think I tried that when I went back to them and it ended up
with me using yahoo - I must try it again.

IIRC, to use the PN Outgoing server, when you aren't connected via your
home broadbean, you have to include your PN username/password - I'm not
sure how you specify that though.

It'll be in the settings of your email client (Thunderbird, Turnpike,
whatever). In the TB 24.8.0 I have on my other machine - Tools, Account
Settings, Outgoing Server (SMTP) [right at the bottom], Edit,
Authentication method: Password, transmitted insecurely. I can't see
anywhere to actually _put_ the password, but I have a vague memory of
the first time I used it, of Thunderbird prompting me for it, and
offering the option to remember it. [TB also offers more secure means of
sending it, and I'd be surprised if PlusNet don't accept such.] And I
think the same prompt pops up again if you should ever change it, i. e.
I think the prompt appears when the stored password (if any - obviously
there isn't one the first time) doesn't work.

[krw]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by krw

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Touch wood, PlusNet seem to let me send via their outgoing server,
too, wherever I am.

Do they? I think I tried that when I went back to them and it ended up
with me using yahoo - I must try it again.

IIRC, to use the PN Outgoing server, when you aren't connected via your
home broadbean, you have to include your PN username/password - I'm not
sure how you specify that though.

Mystery solved. It would seem that I do not have or have not setup a
Plusnet email account. Need to investigate further but have a feeling
email is no longer automatically rolled into the bundle.

[Penny]

On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 09:52:42 +0100, krw <***@whitnet.uk> scrawled in the
dust...

Post by krw

Post by Serena Blanchflower
IIRC, to use the PN Outgoing server, when you aren't connected via your
home broadbean, you have to include your PN username/password - I'm not
sure how you specify that though.

Mystery solved. It would seem that I do not have or have not setup a
Plusnet email account. Need to investigate further but have a feeling
email is no longer automatically rolled into the bundle.

Really?
I don't use mine but definitely have one, they send me notices every month
to say how much the DD will be and how much I've saved from referrals.

[krw]

Post by Penny
dust...

Post by krw

Post by Serena Blanchflower
IIRC, to use the PN Outgoing server, when you aren't connected via your
home broadbean, you have to include your PN username/password - I'm not
sure how you specify that though.

Mystery solved. It would seem that I do not have or have not setup a
Plusnet email account. Need to investigate further but have a feeling
email is no longer automatically rolled into the bundle.

Really?
I don't use mine but definitely have one, they send me notices every month
to say how much the DD will be and how much I've saved from referrals.

They send those to the email address I gave them. Having checked I do
not seem to have email via Plusnet.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Post by krw

Post by Penny
dust...

[]

Post by krw

Post by Penny

Post by krw
Mystery solved. It would seem that I do not have or have not setup a
Plusnet email account. Need to investigate further but have a feeling
email is no longer automatically rolled into the bundle.

Really?
I don't use mine but definitely have one, they send me notices every month
to say how much the DD will be and how much I've saved from referrals.

(I wish the referrals one would _list_ them, rather than just give a
total!)

Post by krw
They send those to the email address I gave them. Having checked I do
not seem to have email via Plusnet.

They send them to the email address I gave them (which has recently
changed, as I've finally cut ties with Demon after decades), as well as
to the PlusNet email they gave me, so I get four emails a month
(referrals and DD). At one time, as viewed in Turnpike anyway, in one of
them the pound signs were in red, in the other not, though I think
that's no longer so. Just a minor oddity!

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by krw
Mystery solved. It would seem that I do not have or have not setup a
Plusnet email account. Need to investigate further but have a feeling
email is no longer automatically rolled into the bundle.

I think you're right. ISTR hearing that they'd stopped including it
automatically (although I'm pretty sure it's still free) because so many
people prefer to use gmail, or other web based services.

[Nick Odell]

On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 11:30:34 +0100, Serena Blanchflower

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by krw
Mystery solved. It would seem that I do not have or have not setup a
Plusnet email account. Need to investigate further but have a feeling
email is no longer automatically rolled into the bundle.

I think you're right. ISTR hearing that they'd stopped including it
automatically (although I'm pretty sure it's still free) because so many
people prefer to use gmail, or other web based services.

I wonder if this is to do with so-called Legacy products? (You can
tell I'm making this up as I go along, can't you?) My Plusnet account
includes email - but I don't believe this particular bundle is
available for new customers any more.

Nick

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by Nick Odell
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 11:30:34 +0100, Serena Blanchflower

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by krw
Mystery solved. It would seem that I do not have or have not setup a
Plusnet email account. Need to investigate further but have a feeling
email is no longer automatically rolled into the bundle.

I think you're right. ISTR hearing that they'd stopped including it
automatically (although I'm pretty sure it's still free) because so many
people prefer to use gmail, or other web based services.

I wonder if this is to do with so-called Legacy products? (You can
tell I'm making this up as I go along, can't you?) My Plusnet account
includes email - but I don't believe this particular bundle is
available for new customers any more.

Pretty much, except my understanding[1] is that new customers are still
welcome to have an inbox, for no extra charge, it's just it isn't given
to them automatically any more.

[1] Which may be incorrect. It's some time since the discussion, on
PN's customer support group, which led to this. This means it's entirely
possible that either my memory is at fault or that the PN offerings have
changed again since then.

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Nick Odell
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 11:30:34 +0100, Serena Blanchflower

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by krw
Mystery solved. It would seem that I do not have or have not setup a
Plusnet email account. Need to investigate further but have a feeling
email is no longer automatically rolled into the bundle.

I think you're right. ISTR hearing that they'd stopped including it
automatically (although I'm pretty sure it's still free) because so many
people prefer to use gmail, or other web based services.

I wonder if this is to do with so-called Legacy products? (You can
tell I'm making this up as I go along, can't you?) My Plusnet account
includes email - but I don't believe this particular bundle is
available for new customers any more.

Pretty much, except my understanding[1] is that new customers are still
welcome to have an inbox, for no extra charge, it's just it isn't given
to them automatically any more.
[1] Which may be incorrect. It's some time since the discussion, on
PN's customer support group, which led to this. This means it's entirely
possible that either my memory is at fault or that the PN offerings have
changed again since then.

Further checking confirms that email is still available for new
customers, if you ask for it:

<https://www.plus.net/help/email-guides/how-to-use-plusnet-email/>

[krw]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Nick Odell
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 11:30:34 +0100, Serena Blanchflower

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by krw
Mystery solved. It would seem that I do not have or have not setup a
Plusnet email account. Need to investigate further but have a feeling
email is no longer automatically rolled into the bundle.

I think you're right. ISTR hearing that they'd stopped including it
automatically (although I'm pretty sure it's still free) because so many
people prefer to use gmail, or other web based services.

I wonder if this is to do with so-called Legacy products? (You can
tell I'm making this up as I go along, can't you?) My Plusnet account
includes email - but I don't believe this particular bundle is
available for new customers any more.

Pretty much, except my understanding[1] is that new customers are still
welcome to have an inbox, for no extra charge, it's just it isn't given
to them automatically any more.
[1] Which may be incorrect. It's some time since the discussion, on
PN's customer support group, which led to this. This means it's entirely
possible that either my memory is at fault or that the PN offerings have
changed again since then.

Further checking confirms that email is still available for new
<https://www.plus.net/help/email-guides/how-to-use-plusnet-email/>

Many thanks to you for tracking this down. When I simply tried to
"manage my email" there were no instructions so it looked as unlikely.
However my current 18 months with Plusnet is drawing to an end. And I
am wondering if I should look at the top speed package and see what the
competitive rates are for Broadband again.

I get about half the quoted speed because we are so far from the
roadside cabinet (it is a half a mile away). So if I went for the
higher speed I would get the supposed speed for the price I am currently
paying (if that makes sense).

[krw]

So if I went for the higher speed I would get the supposed speed for the
price I am currently paying (if that makes sense).

Having gone through the Plusnet system this afternoon I find otherwise.
Apparently if I choose to pay £5 a month more than at the moment then I
can have the supposedly faster broadband but will actually get the same
speed I am getting now.

Also as a continuing customer (or as I prefer it, numpty) I do not get
the new customer discounts and pay full whack from month 1.

So inevitably it looks like a I shall be looking for a new broadband
provider when my contract ends in two months. Any suggestions for a
supplier other than Plusnet, BT (for historic reasons) or Sky (who
already get far too much of my limited income each month)?

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by krw

So if I went for the higher speed I would get the supposed speed for
the price I am currently paying (if that makes sense).

Having gone through the Plusnet system this afternoon I find otherwise.
Apparently if I choose to pay £5 a month more than at the moment then I
can have the supposedly faster broadband but will actually get the same
speed I am getting now.
Also as a continuing customer (or as I prefer it, numpty) I do not get
the new customer discounts and pay full whack from month 1.
So inevitably it looks like a I shall be looking for a new broadband
provider when my contract ends in two months. Any suggestions for a
supplier other than Plusnet, BT (for historic reasons) or Sky (who
already get far too much of my limited income each month)?

Rumour has it that, if you phone PN and tell them that you're thinking
of leaving, you will be put through to the retentions team, who are
likely to offer a better deal, in the hope of keeping you. Whether this
will be a good enough deal to make you decide to stay is another matter,
of course.

[Vicky]

On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 16:03:56 +0100, Serena Blanchflower

Post by Serena Blanchflower
Rumour has it that, if you phone PN and tell them that you're thinking
of leaving, you will be put through to the retentions team, who are
likely to offer a better deal, in the hope of keeping you. Whether this
will be a good enough deal to make you decide to stay is another matter,
of course.

I did that with virgin mobile a couple of times and my monthly deal
was first £5 a month and now £2.50. I got unlimited texts and I think
it was 100 minutes of calls, but it could bemore. I never use it all.

[Penny]

On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 15:41:10 +0100, krw <***@whitnet.uk> scrawled in the
dust...

Post by krw

So if I went for the higher speed I would get the supposed speed for the
price I am currently paying (if that makes sense).

Having gone through the Plusnet system this afternoon I find otherwise.
Apparently if I choose to pay £5 a month more than at the moment then I
can have the supposedly faster broadband but will actually get the same
speed I am getting now.
Also as a continuing customer (or as I prefer it, numpty) I do not get
the new customer discounts and pay full whack from month 1.
So inevitably it looks like a I shall be looking for a new broadband
provider when my contract ends in two months. Any suggestions for a
supplier other than Plusnet, BT (for historic reasons) or Sky (who
already get far too much of my limited income each month)?

Your list of exclusions is remarkably similar to mine (and I've been
somewhat annoyed with Plusnet no longer granting introductory discounts to
existing customers who change their package).

However, if you are already a Sky customer why not add their broadband?
Chances are you'll find you can get broadband 'free' if you can manage to
speak to an actual person.

[Chris McMillan]

Post by krw

So if I went for the higher speed I would get the supposed speed for the
price I am currently paying (if that makes sense).

Having gone through the Plusnet system this afternoon I find otherwise.
Apparently if I choose to pay £5 a month more than at the moment then I
can have the supposedly faster broadband but will actually get the same
speed I am getting now.
Also as a continuing customer (or as I prefer it, numpty) I do not get
the new customer discounts and pay full whack from month 1.
So inevitably it looks like a I shall be looking for a new broadband
provider when my contract ends in two months. Any suggestions for a
supplier other than Plusnet, BT (for historic reasons) or Sky (who
already get far too much of my limited income each month)?

Virgin definitely not.

Sincerely Chris

[Sally Thompson]

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by krw

So if I went for the higher speed I would get the supposed speed for the
price I am currently paying (if that makes sense).

Having gone through the Plusnet system this afternoon I find otherwise.
Apparently if I choose to pay £5 a month more than at the moment then I
can have the supposedly faster broadband but will actually get the same
speed I am getting now.
Also as a continuing customer (or as I prefer it, numpty) I do not get
the new customer discounts and pay full whack from month 1.
So inevitably it looks like a I shall be looking for a new broadband
provider when my contract ends in two months. Any suggestions for a
supplier other than Plusnet, BT (for historic reasons) or Sky (who
already get far too much of my limited income each month)?

Virgin definitely not.
Sincerely Chris

TMI!

[BrritSki]

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by krw
So inevitably it looks like a I shall be looking for a new broadband
provider when my contract ends in two months. Any suggestions for a
supplier other than Plusnet, BT (for historic reasons) or Sky (who
already get far too much of my limited income each month)?

Virgin definitely not.
Sincerely Chris

TMI!

BTN ! Yes I know it's MV, but worth a punt... :)

[Btms]

Post by BrritSki

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by krw
So inevitably it looks like a I shall be looking for a new broadband
provider when my contract ends in two months. Any suggestions for a
supplier other than Plusnet, BT (for historic reasons) or Sky (who
already get far too much of my limited income each month)?

Virgin definitely not.
Sincerely Chris

TMI!

BTN ! Yes I know it's MV, but worth a punt... :)

Well I didn't wince but I did have an Oooh Matron moment! To the pure
etc......

[Jenny M Benson]

Post by BrritSki

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by krw
So inevitably it looks like a I shall be looking for a new broadband
provider when my contract ends in two months. Any suggestions for a
supplier other than Plusnet, BT (for historic reasons) or Sky (who
already get far too much of my limited income each month)?

Virgin definitely not.
Sincerely Chris

TMI!

BTN ! Yes I know it's MV, but worth a punt... :)

Yes, it is MV really, but perpetrating MV against an Umrat is rather
tasteless so I am going to accept the nomination.

PS It made me laugh, too.

[Btms]

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by BrritSki

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by krw
So inevitably it looks like a I shall be looking for a new broadband
provider when my contract ends in two months. Any suggestions for a
supplier other than Plusnet, BT (for historic reasons) or Sky (who
already get far too much of my limited income each month)?

Virgin definitely not.
Sincerely Chris

TMI!

BTN ! Yes I know it's MV, but worth a punt... :)

Yes, it is MV really, but perpetrating MV against an Umrat is rather
tasteless so I am going to accept the nomination.
PS It made me laugh, too.

Yay!

[BrritSki]

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by BrritSki

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by krw
So inevitably it looks like a I shall be looking for a new broadband
provider when my contract ends in two months. Any suggestions for a
supplier other than Plusnet, BT (for historic reasons) or Sky (who
already get far too much of my limited income each month)?

Virgin definitely not.
Sincerely Chris

TMI!

BTN ! Yes I know it's MV, but worth a punt... :)

Yes, it is MV really, but perpetrating MV against an Umrat is rather
tasteless so I am going to accept the nomination.

Hurrah !!!

Post by Jenny M Benson
PS It made me laugh, too.

YANAOU

[Sally Thompson]

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by BrritSki

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by krw
So inevitably it looks like a I shall be looking for a new broadband
provider when my contract ends in two months. Any suggestions for a
supplier other than Plusnet, BT (for historic reasons) or Sky (who
already get far too much of my limited income each month)?

Virgin definitely not.
Sincerely Chris

TMI!

BTN ! Yes I know it's MV, but worth a punt... :)

Yes, it is MV really, but perpetrating MV against an Umrat is rather
tasteless so I am going to accept the nomination.
PS It made me laugh, too.

<Broad grin>

[Chris McMillan]

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by BrritSki

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by krw
So inevitably it looks like a I shall be looking for a new broadband
provider when my contract ends in two months. Any suggestions for a
supplier other than Plusnet, BT (for historic reasons) or Sky (who
already get far too much of my limited income each month)?

Virgin definitely not.
Sincerely Chris

TMI!

BTN ! Yes I know it's MV, but worth a punt... :)

Yes, it is MV really, but perpetrating MV against an Umrat is rather
tasteless so I am going to accept the nomination.
PS It made me laugh, too.

Oooohhh. Thank you!

Sincerely Chris

[Chris J Dixon]

Post by Chris McMillan
Virgin definitely not.
Sincerely Chris

Can't say I have had any technical trouble with them - it just
works, though is not cheap (1), and you keep having to ring up
and get them to arrange another discount.

Originally they were the only option here for actual broadband,
and I am not yet convinced that anything over BT wires would be
better.

(1) Currently just over £25 for 70 Mbps

Chris

[Chris McMillan]

Post by Chris J Dixon

Post by Chris McMillan
Virgin definitely not.
Sincerely Chris

Can't say I have had any technical trouble with them - it just
works, though is not cheap (1), and you keep having to ring up
and get them to arrange another discount.
Originally they were the only option here for actual broadband,
and I am not yet convinced that anything over BT wires would be
better.
(1) Currently just over £25 for 70 Mbps

Snails go faster many days.

Sincerely Chris

[krw]

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by krw

So if I went for the higher speed I would get the supposed speed for the
price I am currently paying (if that makes sense).

Having gone through the Plusnet system this afternoon I find otherwise.
Apparently if I choose to pay £5 a month more than at the moment then I
can have the supposedly faster broadband but will actually get the same
speed I am getting now.
Also as a continuing customer (or as I prefer it, numpty) I do not get
the new customer discounts and pay full whack from month 1.
So inevitably it looks like a I shall be looking for a new broadband
provider when my contract ends in two months. Any suggestions for a
supplier other than Plusnet, BT (for historic reasons) or Sky (who
already get far too much of my limited income each month)?

Virgin definitely not.

No fibre so no Virgin round here.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

[]

Post by krw

Post by Chris McMillan
Virgin definitely not.

No fibre so no Virgin round here.

Sort of immoral fibre then?

[Mike]

Post by krw
No fibre so no Virgin round here.

You need more bran!

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by krw
So inevitably it looks like a I shall be looking for a new broadband
provider when my contract ends in two months. Any suggestions for a
supplier other than Plusnet, BT (for historic reasons) or Sky (who
already get far too much of my limited income each month)?

You may be interested in this article in the Graun, reporting on a
recent Which survey on Broadbean suppliers:

<https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/apr/21/best-worst-broadband-provider-bt-talktalk-ee-sky-which-survey?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Money+Talks+2016&utm_term=223504&subid=466574&CMP=EMCMONTXT5510I2>

[Chris McMillan]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by krw
So inevitably it looks like a I shall be looking for a new broadband
provider when my contract ends in two months. Any suggestions for a
supplier other than Plusnet, BT (for historic reasons) or Sky (who
already get far too much of my limited income each month)?

You may be interested in this article in the Graun, reporting on a
<https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/apr/21/best-worst-broadband-provider-bt-talktalk-ee-sky-which-survey?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Money+Talks+2016&utm_term=223504&subid=466574&CMP=EMCMONTXT5510I2>

Thanks

Sincerely Chris

[Fenny]

Post by krw
So inevitably it looks like a I shall be looking for a new broadband
provider when my contract ends in two months. Any suggestions for a
supplier other than Plusnet, BT (for historic reasons) or Sky (who
already get far too much of my limited income each month)?

I'm with Talktalk. Since their well publicised issues a couple of
years ago, they've made a big effort. As well as a good price for
phone and broadband, you get a free SIM card with a modest number of
minutes and some data. I don't actually use mine at the moment, but
it was handy as a spare when I needed one a while back.

[LFS]

Post by krw

So if I went for the higher speed I would get the supposed speed for
the price I am currently paying (if that makes sense).

Having gone through the Plusnet system this afternoon I find otherwise.
Apparently if I choose to pay £5 a month more than at the moment then I
can have the supposedly faster broadband but will actually get the same
speed I am getting now.
Also as a continuing customer (or as I prefer it, numpty) I do not get
the new customer discounts and pay full whack from month 1.

They probably have a retentions department: tell them that you are
considering leaving and they may make you a better offer.

Post by krw
So inevitably it looks like a I shall be looking for a new broadband
provider when my contract ends in two months. Any suggestions for a
supplier other than Plusnet, BT (for historic reasons) or Sky (who
already get far too much of my limited income each month)?

I'm with EE. I've been with them since they were Freeserve, then
Wanadoo, then Orange. Technical problems have been few and usually
corrected by the speedy supply of a new router.

I check out the alternatives every so often but I've found them
receptive to discussions about charges over the years and I think my
current deal is reasonable. I only use them for broadband: they tried to
sell me a complete package covering phones as well but I'm not
comfortable with being tied to a single supplier.

But I am cross with the way they have handled the withdrawal of email
recently. I discovered that this was due to happen quite by chance so
had plenty of time to deal with changing - my Freeserve email address
had been used to sign in to most of the organisations with which I have
a long-standing relationship so changing all these was a time-consuming
fiddle. People running businesses using Freeserve addresses have been
rightly very upset - some offered to pay for a continuing service but
this was refused.

[Chris McMillan]

Post by LFS

Post by krw

So if I went for the higher speed I would get the supposed speed for
the price I am currently paying (if that makes sense).

Having gone through the Plusnet system this afternoon I find otherwise.
Apparently if I choose to pay £5 a month more than at the moment then I
can have the supposedly faster broadband but will actually get the same
speed I am getting now.
Also as a continuing customer (or as I prefer it, numpty) I do not get
the new customer discounts and pay full whack from month 1.

They probably have a retentions department: tell them that you are
considering leaving and they may make you a better offer.

Post by krw
So inevitably it looks like a I shall be looking for a new broadband
provider when my contract ends in two months. Any suggestions for a
supplier other than Plusnet, BT (for historic reasons) or Sky (who
already get far too much of my limited income each month)?

I'm with EE. I've been with them since they were Freeserve, then
Wanadoo, then Orange. Technical problems have been few and usually
corrected by the speedy supply of a new router.
I check out the alternatives every so often but I've found them
receptive to discussions about charges over the years and I think my
current deal is reasonable. I only use them for broadband: they tried to
sell me a complete package covering phones as well but I'm not
comfortable with being tied to a single supplier.
But I am cross with the way they have handled the withdrawal of email
recently. I discovered that this was due to happen quite by chance so
had plenty of time to deal with changing - my Freeserve email address
had been used to sign in to most of the organisations with which I have
a long-standing relationship so changing all these was a time-consuming
fiddle. People running businesses using Freeserve addresses have been
rightly very upset - some offered to pay for a continuing service but
this was refused.

And a pita for those doing newsletters for organisations, individuals where
the recipients are never in the same place for more than short periods.

Sincerely Chris

[Fenny]

On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 10:15:46 GMT, Chris McMillan

Post by Chris McMillan
And a pita for those doing newsletters for organisations, individuals where
the recipients are never in the same place for more than short periods.

Shirley it's up to the recipients to advise of change of email
address, especially if they actually want to receive the email. I
really hope that Onetel don't decide to close down their historic
accounts. I'd have to notify any number of organisations about the
resultant changes to my 3 email accounts.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Post by Fenny
On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 10:15:46 GMT, Chris McMillan

Post by Chris McMillan
And a pita for those doing newsletters for organisations, individuals where
the recipients are never in the same place for more than short periods.

Shirley it's up to the recipients to advise of change of email
address, especially if they actually want to receive the email. I
really hope that Onetel don't decide to close down their historic
accounts. I'd have to notify any number of organisations about the
resultant changes to my 3 email accounts.

Probably best to assume they will, eventually - and to start thinking
about your own domain (I'd be surprised if fenny.co.uk, fenny.me.uk, and
fenny.uk aren't all available!). I left it far longer than I should have
done, but when I eventually did, the actual mechanics of setting it up
were fairly trivial (and ridiculously cheap): it was just, as you say,
all the people/organisations you have to inform. It's not just those who
send to you, but all the places that use your email as your login, or
similar. (In some cases - one, in my case [GRO, the general record
office] - you'll either have to keep using your old email as login, or
start afresh with them, as they don't have any mechanism for changing
it. [I've kept it.] I think this is fairly rare, though.)

I created a text file like this:

CONFIRMED
name date ***@255soft.uk date

NOTIFIED
organisation 2017-4-xx ***@255soft.uk

TO DO
fred ***@wherever.com

, with initially everyone I had to inform under the TO DO section, then
moved to the NOTIFIED section when I did (including what email I gave
them; I can have whatever I like before the @ sign, much as I could with
the old Demon one, and can still with the PlusNet one), and then moved
them to the CONFIRMED section when they'd confirmed. I only moved
someone to CONFIRMED when I was sure they'd made a change to their
records - usually, when I got something from them to the new address
that _wasn't_ just a reply to something from me (such as the initial
notification); it is far from uncommon for people and organisations to
acknowledge your change of address email, or send replies to any other
email, to your new address, but still keep your old one "really" - say,
the next newsletter or whatever, will come to your old address. I
_think_ I only had to tell one or two people/organisations many times
(or, at least, there may be some who haven't that I'm not bothered
about). The entries in CONFIRMED were just the lines from NOTIFIED,
moved, with an extra date added.

To create my TO DO list, I went through my address book of course, then
anywhere else I could think of I might have email addresses - my
genealogy software, my inboxes (there might be people/organisations I
have had emails from that aren't in my inboxes), even UMRA ... (-: -
also, those I had in various contact lists at work; I kept adding to
that section over a few weeks. Obviously, I moved entries from TO DO to
NOTIFIED as I did the notifying; I did that in batches.

Hope this is of use to someone ...

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Fenny
On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 10:15:46 GMT, Chris McMillan

Post by Chris McMillan
And a pita for those doing newsletters for organisations, individuals where
the recipients are never in the same place for more than short periods.

Shirley it's up to the recipients to advise of change of email
address, especially if they actually want to receive the email. I
really hope that Onetel don't decide to close down their historic
accounts. I'd have to notify any number of organisations about the
resultant changes to my 3 email accounts.

Probably best to assume they will, eventually - and to start thinking
about your own domain (I'd be surprised if fenny.co.uk, fenny.me.uk, and
fenny.uk aren't all available!). I left it far longer than I should have
done, but when I eventually did, the actual mechanics of setting it up
were fairly trivial (and ridiculously cheap): it was just, as you say,
all the people/organisations you have to inform. It's not just those who
send to you, but all the places that use your email as your login, or
similar. (In some cases - one, in my case [GRO, the general record
office] - you'll either have to keep using your old email as login, or
start afresh with them, as they don't have any mechanism for changing
it. [I've kept it.] I think this is fairly rare, though.)
CONFIRMED
NOTIFIED
TO DO
, with initially everyone I had to inform under the TO DO section, then
moved to the NOTIFIED section when I did (including what email I gave
the old Demon one, and can still with the PlusNet one), and then moved
them to the CONFIRMED section when they'd confirmed. I only moved
someone to CONFIRMED when I was sure they'd made a change to their
records - usually, when I got something from them to the new address
that _wasn't_ just a reply to something from me (such as the initial
notification); it is far from uncommon for people and organisations to
acknowledge your change of address email, or send replies to any other
email, to your new address, but still keep your old one "really" - say,
the next newsletter or whatever, will come to your old address. I
_think_ I only had to tell one or two people/organisations many times
(or, at least, there may be some who haven't that I'm not bothered
about). The entries in CONFIRMED were just the lines from NOTIFIED,
moved, with an extra date added.
To create my TO DO list, I went through my address book of course, then
anywhere else I could think of I might have email addresses - my
genealogy software, my inboxes (there might be people/organisations I
have had emails from that aren't in my inboxes), even UMRA ... (-: -
also, those I had in various contact lists at work; I kept adding to
that section over a few weeks. Obviously, I moved entries from TO DO to
NOTIFIED as I did the notifying; I did that in batches.
Hope this is of use to someone ...

I took a slightly different tactic and used filters to move emails sent
to my previous address into a separate folder, so that I would be
alerted to the fact that that sender hadn't updated their files. I
could then take whatever action seemed appropriate.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <***@brightview.co.uk>, Serena
Blanchflower <***@blanchflower.me.uk> writes:
[how I managed my email-address transition snipped]

Post by Serena Blanchflower
I took a slightly different tactic and used filters to move emails sent
to my previous address into a separate folder, so that I would be
alerted to the fact that that sender hadn't updated their files. I
could then take whatever action seemed appropriate.

Ah, much more efficient.

How many are you _still_ getting to the old one (other than spam), after
how long is it - or doesn't the old one exist now? (If so, how many were
still using it when it finally ceased?)

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
[how I managed my email-address transition snipped]

Post by Serena Blanchflower
I took a slightly different tactic and used filters to move emails
sent to my previous address into a separate folder, so that I would be
alerted to the fact that that sender hadn't updated their files. I
could then take whatever action seemed appropriate.

Ah, much more efficient.
How many are you _still_ getting to the old one (other than spam), after
how long is it - or doesn't the old one exist now? (If so, how many were
still using it when it finally ceased?)

I'm afraid I can't remember how long it took to get everything straight,
it was a good few years ago now and that email hasn't existed for quite
some time now.

[Fenny]

On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 20:02:58 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Probably best to assume they will, eventually - and to start thinking
about your own domain (I'd be surprised if fenny.co.uk, fenny.me.uk, and
fenny.uk aren't all available!).

I'm getting a new techy toy in the summer and may well think about
moving things to my own domain. I'm getting more and more concerned
with the likes of Google changing their ToS to gather increasing
amounts of personal data and track our every moves.

[LFS]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Fenny
On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 10:15:46 GMT, Chris McMillan

Post by Chris McMillan
And a pita for those doing newsletters for organisations, individuals where
the recipients are never in the same place for more than short periods.

Shirley it's up to the recipients to advise of change of email
address, especially if they actually want to receive the email. I
really hope that Onetel don't decide to close down their historic
accounts. I'd have to notify any number of organisations about the
resultant changes to my 3 email accounts.

Probably best to assume they will, eventually - and to start thinking
about your own domain (I'd be surprised if fenny.co.uk, fenny.me.uk, and
fenny.uk aren't all available!). I left it far longer than I should have
done, but when I eventually did, the actual mechanics of setting it up
were fairly trivial (and ridiculously cheap): it was just, as you say,
all the people/organisations you have to inform. It's not just those who
send to you, but all the places that use your email as your login, or
similar. (In some cases - one, in my case [GRO, the general record
office] - you'll either have to keep using your old email as login, or
start afresh with them, as they don't have any mechanism for changing
it. [I've kept it.] I think this is fairly rare, though.)

<big snip of helpful ideas>

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Hope this is of use to someone ...

It might have been to me a few weeks ago. But I had been using the EE
account less and less, partly because the email address was much longer
than my gmail one so less convenient for logins, so everything recent
has been set up for gmail. Changing everything wasn't too much of a
chore and I updated some passwords at the same time so that they were
more coherent and easier to remember.

[Chris McMillan]

Post by Fenny
On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 10:15:46 GMT, Chris McMillan

Post by Chris McMillan
And a pita for those doing newsletters for organisations, individuals where
the recipients are never in the same place for more than short periods.

Shirley it's up to the recipients to advise of change of email
address, especially if they actually want to receive the email. I
really hope that Onetel don't decide to close down their historic
accounts. I'd have to notify any number of organisations about the
resultant changes to my 3 email accounts.

You'd think so, yes, but these days people move to social media to keep up
and forget to say they don't use the email, or more often move country at
short notice where their uk email won't work and clean forget I think.
Quite a number if these people work in refugee camps and the like.

[Fenny]

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 14:01:42 GMT, Chris McMillan

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by Fenny

Post by Chris McMillan
And a pita for those doing newsletters for organisations, individuals where
the recipients are never in the same place for more than short periods.

Shirley it's up to the recipients to advise of change of email
address, especially if they actually want to receive the email. I
really hope that Onetel don't decide to close down their historic
accounts. I'd have to notify any number of organisations about the
resultant changes to my 3 email accounts.

You'd think so, yes, but these days people move to social media to keep up
and forget to say they don't use the email, or more often move country at
short notice where their uk email won't work and clean forget I think.
Quite a number if these people work in refugee camps and the like.

In which case, they shouldn't have any complaint about not getting the
newsletter.

I used to regularly have the problem that young people applied for
apprenticeships, giving an email address and a landline number. When
we got no reply to emails and called the landline, invariably a parent
would answer and say the little cherubs don't use email and only use
social media.

[krw]

Post by Fenny
the little cherubs

Are plumbers "little cherubs"? I have emailed two recently (one several
times) about our problematic system and neither have made contact.

Don't they want our money? Is it not good enough for them?

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <odsfkk$1gs0$***@gioia.aioe.org>, krw <***@whitnet.uk> writes:
[]

Post by krw
Many thanks to you for tracking this down. When I simply tried to
"manage my email" there were no instructions so it looked as unlikely.
However my current 18 months with Plusnet is drawing to an end. And I
am wondering if I should look at the top speed package and see what the
competitive rates are for Broadband again.

Always ring them up and haggle. Sadly, I've come to the conclusion it's
an annual necessity, similar to motor insurance (and probably other
sorts).

Post by krw
I get about half the quoted speed because we are so far from the
roadside cabinet (it is a half a mile away). So if I went for the
higher speed I would get the supposed speed for the price I am
currently paying (if that makes sense).

Depends on if your exchange has more than one company's equipment in it
- or if you're currently on a contract where the speed is _artificially_
throttled, and I don't _think_ there are many of those still operating.

If the exchange only has one company's equipment in it, then the choice
of broadbean supplier is purely one of who does your billing and handles
things when it goes wrong: like electricity or gas supply, changing
supplier doesn't change anything _technically_ [unless you get fibre -
which, if you're in an area served by a one-company exchange, is
unlikely to be available].

http://usertools.plus.net/exchanges/ (pay no attention to the plus.net
in it) will tell you what sort of exchange yours is.

[Flop]

Post by krw

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by krw

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Touch wood, PlusNet seem to let me send via their outgoing server,
too, wherever I am.

Do they? I think I tried that when I went back to them and it ended up
with me using yahoo - I must try it again.

IIRC, to use the PN Outgoing server, when you aren't connected via
your home broadbean, you have to include your PN username/password -
I'm not sure how you specify that though.

Mystery solved. It would seem that I do not have or have not setup a
Plusnet email account. Need to investigate further but have a feeling
email is no longer automatically rolled into the bundle.

PN have had a long-standing problem with their email.

It is possible that they have decided not to offer additional hostages
to fortune until they have fixed the problem.

I believe that they are now confident that it works. So it may be
available again.

[Marjorie]

Post by krw

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by krw

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Touch wood, PlusNet seem to let me send via their outgoing server,
too, wherever I am.

Do they? I think I tried that when I went back to them and it ended up
with me using yahoo - I must try it again.

IIRC, to use the PN Outgoing server, when you aren't connected via
your home broadbean, you have to include your PN username/password -
I'm not sure how you specify that though.

Mystery solved. It would seem that I do not have or have not setup a
Plusnet email account. Need to investigate further but have a feeling
email is no longer automatically rolled into the bundle.

Plusnet e-mail is a very basic webmail service, OK for using
occasionally but not very user-friendly and very fiddly to use on a
tablet. I doubt if anyone would use it as their only e-mail system. You
log on to it with your Plusnet username and password (the same ones you
would use to access their website or phone support).

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <cPidnbQzw-***@brightview.co.uk>, Marjorie
<***@springequinox.co.uk> writes:
[]

Post by Marjorie
Plusnet e-mail is a very basic webmail service, OK for using
occasionally but not very user-friendly and very fiddly to use on a
tablet. I doubt if anyone would use it as their only e-mail system. You
log on to it with your Plusnet username and password (the same ones you
would use to access their website or phone support).

I don't find it fiddly at all, though I admit I don't use it on a
tablet; unless the tablet doesn't have the ability to remember
passwords, I can't see problems - and hope I continue not to, as it's my
main both outgoing and incoming route! (Including when I'm not at home.)
I _do_ use POP rather than IMAP for incoming, if that makes any
difference to its fiddlyness.

[I've set up forwarding from my domain to my PlusNet email; I could just
as easily - and at no extra monetary cost - collect my incoming mail
direct, but it just seemed easier this way.]

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
[]

Post by Marjorie
Plusnet e-mail is a very basic webmail service, OK for using
occasionally but not very user-friendly and very fiddly to use on a
tablet. I doubt if anyone would use it as their only e-mail system.
You log on to it with your Plusnet username and password (the same
ones you would use to access their website or phone support).

I don't find it fiddly at all, though I admit I don't use it on a
tablet; unless the tablet doesn't have the ability to remember
passwords, I can't see problems - and hope I continue not to, as it's my
main both outgoing and incoming route! (Including when I'm not at home.)
I _do_ use POP rather than IMAP for incoming, if that makes any
difference to its fiddlyness.
[I've set up forwarding from my domain to my PlusNet email; I could just
as easily - and at no extra monetary cost - collect my incoming mail
direct, but it just seemed easier this way.]

I'm quite happy with it as well. I wouldn't want to use their webmail
as my main email client (for example, it doesn't support email filters)
but it works fine with both POP3 and IMAP, as you'd expect. The webmail
client is fine for just checking something online, if I need to.

Like you, I forward my domain mail to Plusnet. I could have it
forwarded to gmail, if I preferred, or set up an email client with my
domain host (although I think there would be a charge for that, in my case).

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by Marjorie

Post by krw

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by krw

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Touch wood, PlusNet seem to let me send via their outgoing server,
too, wherever I am.

Do they? I think I tried that when I went back to them and it ended up
with me using yahoo - I must try it again.

IIRC, to use the PN Outgoing server, when you aren't connected via
your home broadbean, you have to include your PN username/password -
I'm not sure how you specify that though.

Mystery solved. It would seem that I do not have or have not setup a
Plusnet email account. Need to investigate further but have a feeling
email is no longer automatically rolled into the bundle.

Plusnet e-mail is a very basic webmail service, OK for using
occasionally but not very user-friendly and very fiddly to use on a
tablet. I doubt if anyone would use it as their only e-mail system. You
log on to it with your Plusnet username and password (the same ones you
would use to access their website or phone support).

I would assume that most of their email users use offline email clients,
such as Thunderbird or Outlook, and simply download their email from
Plusnet to whichever device(s) they want to use to read their mail.

[Marjorie]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Marjorie

Post by krw

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by krw

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Touch wood, PlusNet seem to let me send via their outgoing server,
too, wherever I am.

Do they? I think I tried that when I went back to them and it ended up
with me using yahoo - I must try it again.

IIRC, to use the PN Outgoing server, when you aren't connected via
your home broadbean, you have to include your PN username/password -
I'm not sure how you specify that though.

Mystery solved. It would seem that I do not have or have not setup a
Plusnet email account. Need to investigate further but have a feeling
email is no longer automatically rolled into the bundle.

Plusnet e-mail is a very basic webmail service, OK for using
occasionally but not very user-friendly and very fiddly to use on a
tablet. I doubt if anyone would use it as their only e-mail system. You
log on to it with your Plusnet username and password (the same ones you
would use to access their website or phone support).

I would assume that most of their email users use offline email clients,
such as Thunderbird or Outlook, and simply download their email from
Plusnet to whichever device(s) they want to use to read their mail.

I don't think they do, now. Most (younger!) people use webmail such as
Gmail now, and don't download their mail they way we do.

My main problem with the Plusnet webmail - apart from not having many
features such as filters, folders, tags, colour-coding, etc etc - is
that on my tablet, I have to use it in Portrait format in order to see
what I'm typing, and this is a bit small and fiddly.

[Btms]

Marjorie <***@springequinox.co.uk> wrote:

[]

Post by Marjorie
I don't think they do, now. Most (younger!) people use webmail such as
Gmail now, and don't download their mail they way we do.

Indeed. As I said earlier; we are in the hands of progress. We are just
grumpy old fossils now. I suppose one can't miss what one has never had.


On the iPad I am happy with something called "inbox". I like the way they
handle stuff I want to defer action upon for one thing. Otoh on the
desktop I prefer Gmail. No perfect all round product.

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by Marjorie

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Marjorie

Post by krw

Post by Serena Blanchflower

On 24/04/2017 23:04, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote; my response is
lower

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Touch wood, PlusNet seem to let me send via their outgoing server,
too, wherever I am.

Do they? I think I tried that when I went back to them and it ended up
with me using yahoo - I must try it again.

IIRC, to use the PN Outgoing server, when you aren't connected via
your home broadbean, you have to include your PN username/password -
I'm not sure how you specify that though.

Mystery solved. It would seem that I do not have or have not setup a
Plusnet email account. Need to investigate further but have a feeling
email is no longer automatically rolled into the bundle.

Plusnet e-mail is a very basic webmail service, OK for using
occasionally but not very user-friendly and very fiddly to use on a
tablet. I doubt if anyone would use it as their only e-mail system. You
log on to it with your Plusnet username and password (the same ones you
would use to access their website or phone support).

I would assume that most of their email users use offline email clients,
such as Thunderbird or Outlook, and simply download their email from
Plusnet to whichever device(s) they want to use to read their mail.

I don't think they do, now. Most (younger!) people use webmail such as
Gmail now, and don't download their mail they way we do.

Exactly. That's why I doubt they use Plusnet as their main email
provider - and why Plusnet no longer bother to set up an email address
unless requested. I think we're basically agreeing that Plusnet's
webmail isn't really up to it and that's why I suspect that most of PN's
email customers are, primarily, using offline email clients.

[Marjorie]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Marjorie

Post by Serena Blanchflower

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Post by Serena Blanchflower

On 24/04/2017 23:04, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote; my response is
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Touch wood, PlusNet seem to let me send via their outgoing server,
too, wherever I am.

Do they? I think I tried that when I went back to them and it ended up
with me using yahoo - I must try it again.

IIRC, to use the PN Outgoing server, when you aren't connected via
your home broadbean, you have to include your PN username/password -
I'm not sure how you specify that though.

Mystery solved. It would seem that I do not have or have not setup a
Plusnet email account. Need to investigate further but have a feeling
email is no longer automatically rolled into the bundle.

Plusnet e-mail is a very basic webmail service, OK for using
occasionally but not very user-friendly and very fiddly to use on a
tablet. I doubt if anyone would use it as their only e-mail system. You
log on to it with your Plusnet username and password (the same ones you
would use to access their website or phone support).

I would assume that most of their email users use offline email clients,
such as Thunderbird or Outlook, and simply download their email from
Plusnet to whichever device(s) they want to use to read their mail.

I don't think they do, now. Most (younger!) people use webmail such as
Gmail now, and don't download their mail they way we do.

Exactly. That's why I doubt they use Plusnet as their main email
provider - and why Plusnet no longer bother to set up an email address
unless requested. I think we're basically agreeing that Plusnet's
webmail isn't really up to it and that's why I suspect that most of PN's
email customers are, primarily, using offline email clients.

But I think - from what's being said here - I could keep Plusnet as my
ISP, start using Gmail, and still use my domain addresses? This is
something I've been considering for a while. Is it feasible?

[Btms]

Post by Marjorie

Post by Serena Blanchflower
Exactly. That's why I doubt they use Plusnet as their main email
provider - and why Plusnet no longer bother to set up an email address
unless requested. I think we're basically agreeing that Plusnet's
webmail isn't really up to it and that's why I suspect that most of PN's
email customers are, primarily, using offline email clients.

But I think - from what's being said here - I could keep Plusnet as my
ISP, start using Gmail, and still use my domain addresses? This is
something I've been considering for a while. Is it feasible?

I have several domain addresses and recall it was eazy peazy to ask Gmail
to suck them down to my gmail account. I guess it is in gmail settings? I
just found the right box and entered addresses.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

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Post by Btms

Post by Marjorie

Post by Serena Blanchflower
Exactly. That's why I doubt they use Plusnet as their main email
provider - and why Plusnet no longer bother to set up an email address
unless requested. I think we're basically agreeing that Plusnet's
webmail isn't really up to it and that's why I suspect that most of PN's
email customers are, primarily, using offline email clients.

But I think - from what's being said here - I could keep Plusnet as my
ISP, start using Gmail, and still use my domain addresses? This is
something I've been considering for a while. Is it feasible?

I have several domain addresses and recall it was eazy peazy to ask Gmail
to suck them down to my gmail account. I guess it is in gmail settings? I
just found the right box and entered addresses.

Ah, I didn't realise gmail offered that. So in effect you're saying that
gmail will themselves collect emails for you from other domains
(presumably you have to give them your password and the name of the
server), and you can then collect them from gmail? Sounds useful.

[Btms]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
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Post by Btms

Post by Marjorie

Post by Serena Blanchflower
Exactly. That's why I doubt they use Plusnet as their main email
provider - and why Plusnet no longer bother to set up an email address
unless requested. I think we're basically agreeing that Plusnet's
webmail isn't really up to it and that's why I suspect that most of PN's
email customers are, primarily, using offline email clients.

But I think - from what's being said here - I could keep Plusnet as my
ISP, start using Gmail, and still use my domain addresses? This is
something I've been considering for a while. Is it feasible?

I have several domain addresses and recall it was eazy peazy to ask Gmail
to suck them down to my gmail account. I guess it is in gmail settings? I
just found the right box and entered addresses.

Ah, I didn't realise gmail offered that. So in effect you're saying that
gmail will themselves collect emails for you from other domains
(presumably you have to give them your password and the name of the
server), and you can then collect them from gmail? Sounds useful.

I think so.

[Serena Blanchflower]

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Post by Marjorie

Post by Serena Blanchflower
Exactly. That's why I doubt they use Plusnet as their main email
provider - and why Plusnet no longer bother to set up an email address
unless requested. I think we're basically agreeing that Plusnet's
webmail isn't really up to it and that's why I suspect that most of PN's
email customers are, primarily, using offline email clients.

But I think - from what's being said here - I could keep Plusnet as my
ISP, start using Gmail, and still use my domain addresses? This is
something I've been considering for a while. Is it feasible?

I have several domain addresses and recall it was eazy peazy to ask Gmail
to suck them down to my gmail account. I guess it is in gmail settings? I
just found the right box and entered addresses.

Ah, I didn't realise gmail offered that. So in effect you're saying that
gmail will themselves collect emails for you from other domains
(presumably you have to give them your password and the name of the
server), and you can then collect them from gmail? Sounds useful.

Yes. It's very useful, if you're migrating your email to gmail, from a
different supplier. Gmail will download your emails (using either POP3
or IMAP, as you choose) from your old address so you can chase up anyone
who keeps using your old address.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <NsudnSmnzLcyXpnEnZ2dnUU78N-***@brightview.co.uk>, Marjorie
<***@springequinox.co.uk> writes:
[]

Post by Marjorie
But I think - from what's being said here - I could keep Plusnet as my
ISP, start using Gmail, and still use my domain addresses? This is
something I've been considering for a while. Is it feasible?

PlusNet are providing you with connectivity to the internet (without
which, of course, _nothing_ will work). Once you've got that, you can
use gmail - as you can anywhere you've got connectivity, such as
McDonalds or Wetherspoons or at a friend's house. That applies regarding
gmail wherever, or whoever with, you get connectivity.

If by "use my domain addresses", you mean "send emails that appear to
have come from ***@y.com" rather than "***@gmail.com", so that's where
replies to those emails would go, I don't know: that's a matter for
gmail, if you're using the webmail interface (i. e. sending via gmail's
outgoing servers). If, instead, you're sending via PlusNet's outgoing
server - relay.plus.net, IIRR - then, at least in my case, they don't
seem to mind where my emails "seem" to be coming from. (If doing that,
you'd be using Thunderbird or similar, and nothing to do with gmail.

For _receiving_ email: once you've got connectivity, and connect to
gmail's web interface, you can receive emails - though I suspect only
ones addressed you an email address ending in @gmail.com . You could
also connect (using either Thunderbird, or their webmail interface) to
PlusNet's incoming mail server, and connect emails either of those two
ways - but I think only emails addressed to you @ something with a plus
in it.

If by "my domain addresses" you mean @springequinox.co.uk: _sending_, I
think you'd be able to use PlusNet's outgoing server, as I've said
(direct, using Thunderbird or whatever); I don't _think_ you'd be able
to send via gmail's web interface (but then I can't see why you'd want
to). For _receiving_ emails addressed _to_
***@springequinox.co.uk, I think that depends on what arrangement
whoever you're paying for the domain has. Since you ask about "still
use" my domain addresses, I assume you have some arrangement with that
provider to receive email; there are two options there - either you
collect direct from their mail server, if they offer that service, which
you'd do with Thunderbird or similar, or you'd arrange for them to
forward any emails to another address, such as a PlusNet or a gmail one.
(I do the former.) If forwarded to a PlusNet address, you'd collect them
from PlusNet as above - either direct from their incoming mailserver
using Thunderbird or similar, or from their web interface. If forwarded
to a gmail address, you'd collect them from gmail's web interface.

Basically:
*PlusNet* provide you with three services, not all of which you
necessarily use: connectivity, without which nothing works; and incoming
mail server, which I think will only accept emails to addresses with
plus in them (which could include ones forwarded by your domain
provider; and an outgoing mail server, which I think will send emails
wherever they seem to come from. They also offer a webmail interface,
which some here are saying isn't very good.

*your hosting provider* are providing you with: domain registration
services; possibly some website hosting; and handling of emails _to_ the
domain, either by storing them until you collect them, or by forwarding
them to somewhere else (such as PlusNet or gmail). You must already be
doing one of these.

*gmail* offer, only, a webmail interface; I've never used it. I don't
know if it will let you _send_ emails "from" something without gmail in
it; it can only _receive_ gmail emails, though these could include ones
forwarded from elsewhere.

The only advantage I can see of you starting to use gmail is that you
could collect (I'm not sure about send) emails forwarded to a gmail
address, wherever you are, even on someone else's computer/tablet/phone.
You could do the same with PlusNet's webmail interface (i. e. not use
gmail at all), but there's some suggestion that PlusNet's webmail
interface is inferior to gmail's.

I hope this helps.

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
If by "use my domain addresses", you mean "send emails that appear to
replies to those emails would go, I don't know: that's a matter for
gmail, if you're using the webmail interface (i. e. sending via gmail's
outgoing servers).

Yes, you can tell gmail to use ***@domain.com as your outgoing email
address. I'm pretty sure you can have multiple identities set up in
gmail, if you want to use different addresses for different emails.

[Btms]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
If by "use my domain addresses", you mean "send emails that appear to
replies to those emails would go, I don't know: that's a matter for
gmail, if you're using the webmail interface (i. e. sending via gmail's
outgoing servers).

address. I'm pretty sure you can have multiple identities set up in
gmail, if you want to use different addresses for different emails.

Confirmed. I have several.

[krw]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
*gmail* offer, only, a webmail interface; I've never used it. I don't
know if it will let you _send_ emails "from" something without gmail in
it; it can only _receive_ gmail emails, though these could include ones
forwarded from elsewhere.

My gmail address is delivered into Thunderbird so I do not use webmail
at all.

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by krw

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
*gmail* offer, only, a webmail interface; I've never used it. I don't
know if it will let you _send_ emails "from" something without gmail
in it; it can only _receive_ gmail emails, though these could include
ones forwarded from elsewhere.

My gmail address is delivered into Thunderbird so I do not use webmail
at all.

Ah, yes, I missed that part of Jpeg's comment. I download my gmail
stuff into Thunderbird, as well.

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by Marjorie

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Marjorie

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Marjorie

Post by krw

Post by Serena Blanchflower

On 24/04/2017 23:04, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote; my response is
lower

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Touch wood, PlusNet seem to let me send via their outgoing server,
too, wherever I am.

Do they? I think I tried that when I went back to them and it ended up
with me using yahoo - I must try it again.

IIRC, to use the PN Outgoing server, when you aren't connected via
your home broadbean, you have to include your PN username/password -
I'm not sure how you specify that though.

Mystery solved. It would seem that I do not have or have not setup a
Plusnet email account. Need to investigate further but have a feeling
email is no longer automatically rolled into the bundle.

Plusnet e-mail is a very basic webmail service, OK for using
occasionally but not very user-friendly and very fiddly to use on a
tablet. I doubt if anyone would use it as their only e-mail system. You
log on to it with your Plusnet username and password (the same ones you
would use to access their website or phone support).

I would assume that most of their email users use offline email clients,
such as Thunderbird or Outlook, and simply download their email from
Plusnet to whichever device(s) they want to use to read their mail.

I don't think they do, now. Most (younger!) people use webmail such as
Gmail now, and don't download their mail they way we do.

Exactly. That's why I doubt they use Plusnet as their main email
provider - and why Plusnet no longer bother to set up an email address
unless requested. I think we're basically agreeing that Plusnet's
webmail isn't really up to it and that's why I suspect that most of PN's
email customers are, primarily, using offline email clients.

But I think - from what's being said here - I could keep Plusnet as my
ISP, start using Gmail, and still use my domain addresses? This is
something I've been considering for a while. Is it feasible?

Yes, entirely. You can tell your domain host to forward your email to
whichever email address you want to use. As far as I'm concerned,
that's one of the main reasons for having my own domain as I don't need
to change my email address (or at least, not the address I give to other
people), if I choose to change my email provider for any reason.

[Jane Vernon]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by krw

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Touch wood, PlusNet seem to let me send via their outgoing server,
too, wherever I am.

Do they? I think I tried that when I went back to them and it ended up
with me using yahoo - I must try it again.

IIRC, to use the PN Outgoing server, when you aren't connected via your
home broadbean, you have to include your PN username/password - I'm not
sure how you specify that though.

I have no idea how these things work and everyone is always surprised
that it does work, but I use the outgoing SMTP supplied by Utility
Warehouse wherever in the world I am or whatever device I'm using and
don't enter a password.

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by Jane Vernon

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by krw

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Touch wood, PlusNet seem to let me send via their outgoing server,
too, wherever I am.

Do they? I think I tried that when I went back to them and it ended up
with me using yahoo - I must try it again.

IIRC, to use the PN Outgoing server, when you aren't connected via your
home broadbean, you have to include your PN username/password - I'm not
sure how you specify that though.

I have no idea how these things work and everyone is always surprised
that it does work, but I use the outgoing SMTP supplied by Utility
Warehouse wherever in the world I am or whatever device I'm using and
don't enter a password.

Did you have to put the password in, when you first set up each device
(or at least the mobile ones)? You don't generally need to enter the
password again each time you need to send emails.

[Jane Vernon]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Jane Vernon

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by krw

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Touch wood, PlusNet seem to let me send via their outgoing server,
too, wherever I am.

Do they? I think I tried that when I went back to them and it ended up
with me using yahoo - I must try it again.

IIRC, to use the PN Outgoing server, when you aren't connected via your
home broadbean, you have to include your PN username/password - I'm not
sure how you specify that though.

I have no idea how these things work and everyone is always surprised
that it does work, but I use the outgoing SMTP supplied by Utility
Warehouse wherever in the world I am or whatever device I'm using and
don't enter a password.

Did you have to put the password in, when you first set up each device
(or at least the mobile ones)? You don't generally need to enter the
password again each time you need to send emails.

I guess I might have done but STR not having to. But anyway, they work.
And now KeePass has a better mobile version that can access a database
on Dropbox rather than have its own different one, I can get at
passwords anyway if I need to.

[Fenny]

Post by Penny
I believe you can configure gmail to receive mail from
other mail boxes (though I haven't done so myself).

This is vert simple to do. I have 2 different gmail accounts and
between them I import 3 other email addresses. Each comes into its
own separate inbox and I have them colour coded so that when I search
for things I can easily tell which account it has been received into.

[Jane Vernon]

Post by Fenny

Post by Penny
I believe you can configure gmail to receive mail from
other mail boxes (though I haven't done so myself).

This is vert simple to do. I have 2 different gmail accounts and
between them I import 3 other email addresses. Each comes into its
own separate inbox and I have them colour coded so that when I search
for things I can easily tell which account it has been received into.

But they would all be other gmail accounts, no?

My main account is my clothandclay account.

[Fenny]

On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 18:08:27 +0100, Jane Vernon

Post by Jane Vernon

Post by Fenny

Post by Penny
I believe you can configure gmail to receive mail from
other mail boxes (though I haven't done so myself).

This is vert simple to do. I have 2 different gmail accounts and
between them I import 3 other email addresses. Each comes into its
own separate inbox and I have them colour coded so that when I search
for things I can easily tell which account it has been received into.

But they would all be other gmail accounts, no?

No, all 3 are onetel addresses, like the umrat one.

Post by Jane Vernon
My main account is my clothandclay account.

You can import POP3 mail and set up the account to reply from the same
address as long as you know the correct outgoing SMTP server settings
to use.

So I have my gmail address, which has my name on it and I use for most
"official" things. I then have 2 onetel addresses, each goes into a
separate inbox and when I reply to those, it comes from the relevant
address. When I write a new email, I can pick which address I send it
from.

And a separate gmail account with another onetel address going into
another inbox.

Gmail also lets you have 2 or more gmail identities open at once, so I
can have 2 tabs with 5 distinct email addresses open at the same time.

[Jane Vernon]

Post by Fenny
On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 18:08:27 +0100, Jane Vernon

Post by Jane Vernon

Post by Fenny

Post by Penny
I believe you can configure gmail to receive mail from
other mail boxes (though I haven't done so myself).

This is vert simple to do. I have 2 different gmail accounts and
between them I import 3 other email addresses. Each comes into its
own separate inbox and I have them colour coded so that when I search
for things I can easily tell which account it has been received into.

But they would all be other gmail accounts, no?

No, all 3 are onetel addresses, like the umrat one.

Aha!

Post by Fenny

Post by Jane Vernon
My main account is my clothandclay account.

You can import POP3 mail and set up the account to reply from the same
address as long as you know the correct outgoing SMTP server settings
to use.
So I have my gmail address, which has my name on it and I use for most
"official" things. I then have 2 onetel addresses, each goes into a
separate inbox and when I reply to those, it comes from the relevant
address. When I write a new email, I can pick which address I send it
from.
And a separate gmail account with another onetel address going into
another inbox.
Gmail also lets you have 2 or more gmail identities open at once, so I
can have 2 tabs with 5 distinct email addresses open at the same time.

Ooh, I didn't know that either.
All of the above sounds very interesting but also a tad complicated to
take in right now. Will save somewhere and return to it probably next week.

I'm just off for my spring umrat-related holiday. Last year it was
York, this year Mevagissey. Travel by train, visit lovely place, stay in
nice B&B, spend time with (lapsed) umrat. Candidates for next year may
apply now ;)

[Penny]

On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 08:00:39 +0100, Jane Vernon
<***@gmail.com> scrawled in the dust...
of gmail usefulness

Post by Jane Vernon
Ooh, I didn't know that either.
All of the above sounds very interesting but also a tad complicated to
take in right now. Will save somewhere and return to it probably next week.

As no one has so far pointed out you also get 15GB of free storage with a
google account which may help with any dropbox overflow, or replace it.

[Fenny]

Post by Penny
On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 08:00:39 +0100, Jane Vernon
of gmail usefulness

Post by Jane Vernon
Ooh, I didn't know that either.
All of the above sounds very interesting but also a tad complicated to
take in right now. Will save somewhere and return to it probably next week.

As no one has so far pointed out you also get 15GB of free storage with a
google account which may help with any dropbox overflow, or replace it.

Nor has google actually publicised the fact that they have changed
their ToS to make sure they can track pretty much everything you do
online! I just wish I could remember where I saw the link to the
article.

[krw]

Candidates for next year may apply now ;)

But we are not lapsed.

[John Ashby]

Post by krw

Candidates for next year may apply now ;)

But we are not lapsed.

Which is why it's so sensible of Jane to give enough notice for you to
lapse and possibly even relapse between now and next year.

john

[Btms]

Jane Vernon <***@gmail.com> wrote:
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Post by Jane Vernon
I'm just off for my spring umrat-related holiday. Last year it was
York, this year Mevagissey. Travel by train, visit lovely place, stay in
nice B&B, spend time with (lapsed) umrat. Candidates for next year may
apply now ;)

Wow! Have a great time. Lost Gardens of Heligan very good and close. You
probably already know this. I am less impressed by the Eden Project. More
scientific less romantic.

We wont be that way for a couple of weeks. Would have suggested a meet

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message
<1130897537.514456114.996476.poppy-***@news.eternal-september.
org>, Btms <***@thetames.me.uk> writes:
[]

Post by Btms
Wow! Have a great time. Lost Gardens of Heligan very good and close. You
probably already know this. I am less impressed by the Eden Project. More
scientific less romantic.

[]
I wasn't clear whether you weren't impressed because it was more
scientific, or whether you wished it had been.

FWIW, I like science in such things (in fact, in most things).

[Btms]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
In message
[]

Post by Btms
Wow! Have a great time. Lost Gardens of Heligan very good and close. You
probably already know this. I am less impressed by the Eden Project. More
scientific less romantic.

[]
I wasn't clear whether you weren't impressed because it was more
scientific, or whether you wished it had been.
FWIW, I like science in such things (in fact, in most things).

Just explaining why I prefer Heligan, whereas others would prefer Eden.
Both subjective viewpoints imho.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
In message
[]

Post by Btms
Wow! Have a great time. Lost Gardens of Heligan very good and close. You
probably already know this. I am less impressed by the Eden Project. More
scientific less romantic.

[]
I wasn't clear whether you weren't impressed because it was more
scientific, or whether you wished it had been.
FWIW, I like science in such things (in fact, in most things).

Just explaining why I prefer Heligan, whereas others would prefer Eden.
Both subjective viewpoints imho.

I think I see which you mean - though I haven't been to either. I just
wasn't sure whether you meant "I am less impressed by the Eden Project
*because it is* More scientific less romantic.", or "I am less impressed
by the Eden Project. *I wish it was* More scientific less romantic."

[Btms]

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In message

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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
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[]

Post by Btms
Wow! Have a great time. Lost Gardens of Heligan very good and close. You
probably already know this. I am less impressed by the Eden Project. More
scientific less romantic.

[]
I wasn't clear whether you weren't impressed because it was more
scientific, or whether you wished it had been.
FWIW, I like science in such things (in fact, in most things).

Just explaining why I prefer Heligan, whereas others would prefer Eden.
Both subjective viewpoints imho.

I think I see which you mean - though I haven't been to either. I just
wasn't sure whether you meant "I am less impressed by the Eden Project
*because it is* More scientific less romantic.", or "I am less impressed
by the Eden Project. *I wish it was* More scientific less romantic."

Eden is very contrived and may not be any the less worthy or appealing to
some. Heligan is more historical and appeals to those with a more arty
tarty preference.....perhaps. Only my opinion.

[Mike]

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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
In message
[]

Post by Btms
Wow! Have a great time. Lost Gardens of Heligan very good and close. You
probably already know this. I am less impressed by the Eden Project. More
scientific less romantic.

[]
I wasn't clear whether you weren't impressed because it was more
scientific, or whether you wished it had been.
FWIW, I like science in such things (in fact, in most things).

Just explaining why I prefer Heligan, whereas others would prefer Eden.
Both subjective viewpoints imho.

More difficult to get lost at Eden....

[John Ashby]

Post by Mike

Post by Btms

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
In message
[]

Post by Btms
Wow! Have a great time. Lost Gardens of Heligan very good and close. You
probably already know this. I am less impressed by the Eden Project. More
scientific less romantic.

[]
I wasn't clear whether you weren't impressed because it was more
scientific, or whether you wished it had been.
FWIW, I like science in such things (in fact, in most things).

Just explaining why I prefer Heligan, whereas others would prefer Eden.
Both subjective viewpoints imho.

More difficult to get lost at Eden....

But easier to fall.

john

[Sam Plusnet]

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Post by Mike

Post by Btms

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
In message
[]

Post by Btms
Wow! Have a great time. Lost Gardens of Heligan very good and close. You
probably already know this. I am less impressed by the Eden Project. More
scientific less romantic.

[]
I wasn't clear whether you weren't impressed because it was more
scientific, or whether you wished it had been.
FWIW, I like science in such things (in fact, in most things).

Just explaining why I prefer Heligan, whereas others would prefer Eden.
Both subjective viewpoints imho.

More difficult to get lost at Eden....

But easier to fall.

Best to leave the apples on the tree, I find.

[Fenny]

Post by Btms
Just explaining why I prefer Heligan, whereas others would prefer Eden.
Both subjective viewpoints imho.

When we went on our Horticulture course residential to Cronwall, we
visited Eden, Heligan and another (smaller) place I can't remember the
name of.

Of the three, Heligan was the least favourite. Too many people, who
walked slowly and blocked the paths, too many smokers. And, more
frustratingly, very little information about the plants, which is what
we were there to see.

OTOH, the small gardens were well laid out, plenty of room to move
around not on narrow paths, and very well labelled plants.

And I love Eden. I've been there at least twice, if not more. I like
the different zones and the way they've turned the old quarry into a
fantastic place. Ma bought me the book for Christmas one year.

[carolet]

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Post by Fenny
On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 18:08:27 +0100, Jane Vernon

Post by Jane Vernon

Post by Fenny

Post by Penny
I believe you can configure gmail to receive mail from
other mail boxes (though I haven't done so myself).

This is vert simple to do. I have 2 different gmail accounts and
between them I import 3 other email addresses. Each comes into its
own separate inbox and I have them colour coded so that when I search
for things I can easily tell which account it has been received into.

But they would all be other gmail accounts, no?

No, all 3 are onetel addresses, like the umrat one.

Aha!

Post by Fenny

Post by Jane Vernon
My main account is my clothandclay account.

You can import POP3 mail and set up the account to reply from the same
address as long as you know the correct outgoing SMTP server settings
to use.
So I have my gmail address, which has my name on it and I use for most
"official" things. I then have 2 onetel addresses, each goes into a
separate inbox and when I reply to those, it comes from the relevant
address. When I write a new email, I can pick which address I send it
from.
And a separate gmail account with another onetel address going into
another inbox.
Gmail also lets you have 2 or more gmail identities open at once, so I
can have 2 tabs with 5 distinct email addresses open at the same time.

Ooh, I didn't know that either.
All of the above sounds very interesting but also a tad complicated to
take in right now. Will save somewhere and return to it probably next week.
I'm just off for my spring umrat-related holiday. Last year it was
York, this year Mevagissey. Travel by train, visit lovely place, stay in
nice B&B, spend time with (lapsed) umrat. Candidates for next year may
apply now ;)

You've probably gone on your way now, so won't see this in time, but this:
http://knowledgebase.constantcontact.com/articles/KnowledgeBase/6001-exporting-contacts-from-thunderbird?pnx=1
explains how to export your contacts to a csv file.

You could make such a csv file available on your tablet, in dropbox
perhaps, then you'd be able to find any email addresses that you need.

[krw]

Post by Fenny

Post by Penny
I believe you can configure gmail to receive mail from
other mail boxes (though I haven't done so myself).

This is vert simple to do. I have 2 different gmail accounts and
between them I import 3 other email addresses. Each comes into its
own separate inbox and I have them colour coded so that when I search
for things I can easily tell which account it has been received into.

I am highly reluctant to use online solutions. When we travel I can
expect some (limited) wifi so can download emails and respond later.
Sadly I cannot reply to newsgroup in such situations as Groundhog needs
to be connected - one of its major failings for me.

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by Penny
I realise copying all your contacts into gmail would be a faff but might be
worth the effort? I believe you can configure gmail to receive mail from
other mail boxes (though I haven't done so myself).

I think you can import your Thunderbird contacts into gmail. If you
export your TB address book(s) in CSV format, you can then import that
into Gmail.

You need to go to gmail, then contacts, then "Go to the old version"
and, finally, import contacts.


You can certainly set up gmail to receive mail from other PO3 / IMAP
mailboxes, should you wish to. I assume, if you wanted to switch to
using gmail, that you could also set up your domain host to forward your
email to gmail.

[Jane Vernon]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Penny
I realise copying all your contacts into gmail would be a faff but might be
worth the effort? I believe you can configure gmail to receive mail from
other mail boxes (though I haven't done so myself).

I think you can import your Thunderbird contacts into gmail. If you
export your TB address book(s) in CSV format, you can then import that
into Gmail.
You need to go to gmail, then contacts, then "Go to the old version"
and, finally, import contacts.

Thank you! I had no idea about the old version thing (or if anyone else
told me about it, it hadn't sunk in) and was on the point of giving up.
I haven't been getting on too well with this project up to now. But now
- success! All my email addresses are imported.

Possibly part of my problem is that I normally access all my email
accounts, including the gmail ones, through Thunderbird. Now, when I
access my main gmail account online, I somehow have 1500 emails in my
inbox. They are mostly ones I know should be in "deleted" but I am not
confident that I want to delete every single one again. In Thunderbird
(on PC) they do not appear in the Inbox, nor in my phone or tablet email
programs so perhaps it's not really much of a problem as those are the
ways I normally access my emails.

The other thing I haven't managed yet is to create any new tabs in the
gmail screen. I haven't seen any reference to any way of adding
accounts in the way that you and Fenny described. But again, perhaps
now I don't need to.

I think I'll now quit while I'm ahead. Thanks to importing the CSV
files into my Google/Gmail account I can now access all my email
addresses while using the Android mail programs on phone or tablet, so
can send emails to anyone I like while away, which was the original object.

Many thanks, all.

[Btms]

Jane, I think it is gmail that has an "archive" button. This will remove
those 1500 emails in your inbox but are retrievable should need arise.

[Jane Vernon]

Post by Btms
Jane, I think it is gmail that has an "archive" button. This will remove
those 1500 emails in your inbox but are retrievable should need arise.

Thanks, I will look into that when a tuit arrives.

[Fenny]

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 08:44:56 +0100, Jane Vernon

Post by Jane Vernon
The other thing I haven't managed yet is to create any new tabs in the
gmail screen. I haven't seen any reference to any way of adding
accounts in the way that you and Fenny described. But again, perhaps
now I don't need to.

If you drop me an email (remove the obvious), I can send you some info
on how to add other accounts.