Meaning of Dueling Guitars

Post by Dingbat
Meaning of Dueling Guitars?
https://www.google.com/search?dueling+guitars
There's no duel in the sense of a contest or competition.
They're playing with each other, not against each other.
What makes 'dueling' an appropriate choice of word?

They are dueling(after a fashion), one plays a piece then the other
tries to play it too, if you can't follow you are the loser .
There is no real winner as it is only titularly a duel, depending on
the composer there can actually be a passage where they compliment each
other.
Same idea as "rap battles" aren't actually battles .

Lewis

2018-07-12 10:57:17 UTC

Post by soup

They are dueling(after a fashion), one plays a piece then the other
tries to play it too, if you can't follow you are the loser .

Uh... no.

One plays something, the other plays something. They escalate as each
tries to play something better than the previous person. It might be a
variation on what the previous person played, it might not, but it should
fit in to a cohesive whole.

There is one specific piece of music that is often called "Dueling
Banjos" as well, which makes it somewhat confusing.

Here is a dueling banjo comedy skit:

Post by soup
There is no real winner as it is only titularly a duel, depending on
the composer there can actually be a passage where they compliment each
other.

A "duel" can often be simply for entertainment, but it is also often
used competitively to establish which musician is better.

Post by soup
Same idea as "rap battles" aren't actually battles .

And another example where thegoal is not to mimic, but to one-up.

--
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from before we're even born right up until the instant we fall in
love.

soup

2018-07-12 14:03:29 UTC

Post by Lewis

Post by soup
They are dueling(after a fashion), one plays a piece then the other
tries to play it too, if you can't follow you are the loser .

Uh... no.
One plays something, the other plays something. They escalate as each
tries to play something better than the previous person. It might be a
variation on what the previous person played, it might not, but it should
fit in to a cohesive whole.

Sort of what I meant but you put it so much more eloquently

Replace "it too" with "something 'more complicated' "

Madrigal Gurneyhalt

2018-07-11 12:35:53 UTC

The fact that they're duelling?

Peter T. Daniels

2018-07-11 12:59:09 UTC

Have you ever seen the movie *Deliverance*? (Dueling banjos. One of the
classic scenes in American cinema.)

Dingbat

2018-07-12 01:31:17 UTC

Have you ever seen the movie *Deliverance*? (Dueling banjos. One of the
classic scenes in American cinema.)

More precisely, that's a banjo-guitar duel:

Another such duel by Glen Campbell and Carl Jackson:

Peter T. Daniels

2018-07-12 03:10:15 UTC

Have you ever seen the movie *Deliverance*? (Dueling banjos. One of the
classic scenes in American cinema.)

http://youtu.be/1tqxzWdKKu8

The name of the piece is "Dueling Banjos."

Post by Dingbat
http://youtu.be/i5vfw5f1CZo

Ken Blake

2018-07-12 17:43:16 UTC

On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:31:17 -0700 (PDT), Dingbat

Have you ever seen the movie *Deliverance*? (Dueling banjos. One of the
classic scenes in American cinema.)

http://youtu.be/1tqxzWdKKu8

Yes, in the movie, it's a guitar and banjo. But the original
performance of the tune was a duel between two banjos, hence its name.

LFS

2018-07-13 15:15:42 UTC

Post by Ken Blake
On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:31:17 -0700 (PDT), Dingbat

Have you ever seen the movie *Deliverance*? (Dueling banjos. One of the
classic scenes in American cinema.)

http://youtu.be/1tqxzWdKKu8

Yes, in the movie, it's a guitar and banjo. But the original
performance of the tune was a duel between two banjos, hence its name.

Son, in his first year at film school in Edinburgh, persuaded two
bagpipe players on Princes Street to do a version of it. Made a splendid
little film.

--
Laura (emulate St George for email)

Snidely

2018-07-14 06:53:02 UTC

Post by Ken Blake
On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:31:17 -0700 (PDT), Dingbat

Have you ever seen the movie *Deliverance*? (Dueling banjos. One of the
classic scenes in American cinema.)

http://youtu.be/1tqxzWdKKu8

Yes, in the movie, it's a guitar and banjo. But the original
performance of the tune was a duel between two banjos, hence its name.

Son, in his first year at film school in Edinburgh, persuaded two bagpipe
players on Princes Street to do a version of it. Made a splendid little film.

Oooooh, WANT!

/dps

--
"This is all very fine, but let us not be carried away be excitement,
but ask calmly, how does this person feel about in in his cooler
moments next day, with six or seven thousand feet of snow and stuff on
top of him?"
_Roughing It_, Mark Twain.

s***@gmail.com

2018-07-17 01:50:06 UTC

Post by Snidely

Post by Ken Blake
On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:31:17 -0700 (PDT), Dingbat

Have you ever seen the movie *Deliverance*? (Dueling banjos. One of the
classic scenes in American cinema.)

http://youtu.be/1tqxzWdKKu8

Yes, in the movie, it's a guitar and banjo. But the original
performance of the tune was a duel between two banjos, hence its name.

Son, in his first year at film school in Edinburgh, persuaded two bagpipe
players on Princes Street to do a version of it. Made a splendid little film.

Oooooh, WANT!

I imagine Son knows about this guy:

/dps

Peter Moylan

2018-07-15 13:31:12 UTC

Post by Ken Blake
On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:31:17 -0700 (PDT), Dingbat

Have you ever seen the movie *Deliverance*? (Dueling banjos. One of the
classic scenes in American cinema.)

http://youtu.be/1tqxzWdKKu8

Yes, in the movie, it's a guitar and banjo. But the original
performance of the tune was a duel between two banjos, hence its name.

Son, in his first year at film school in Edinburgh, persuaded two
bagpipe players on Princes Street to do a version of it. Made a splendid
little film.

I have sometimes been tempted to ask my guitar teacher to get the two of
us doing this piece, but you have just killed that ambition. I could
never match that.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia

GordonD

2018-07-16 15:59:50 UTC

Post by Ken Blake
On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:31:17 -0700 (PDT), Dingbat

Have you ever seen the movie *Deliverance*? (Dueling banjos. One of the
classic scenes in American cinema.)

http://youtu.be/1tqxzWdKKu8

Yes, in the movie, it's a guitar and banjo. But the original
performance of the tune was a duel between two banjos, hence its name.

Son, in his first year at film school in Edinburgh, persuaded two
bagpipe players on Princes Street to do a version of it. Made a splendid
little film.

I have sometimes been tempted to ask my guitar teacher to get the two of
us doing this piece, but you have just killed that ambition. I could
never match that.

--
Gordon Davie
Edinburgh, Scotland

Peter T. Daniels

2018-07-16 16:38:29 UTC

Post by Ken Blake
On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:31:17 -0700 (PDT), Dingbat

Post by Peter T. Daniels
Have you ever seen the movie *Deliverance*? (Dueling banjos. One of the
classic scenes in American cinema.)

http://youtu.be/1tqxzWdKKu8

Yes, in the movie, it's a guitar and banjo. But the original
performance of the tune was a duel between two banjos, hence its name.

Son, in his first year at film school in Edinburgh, persuaded two
bagpipe players on Princes Street to do a version of it. Made a splendid
little film.

I have sometimes been tempted to ask my guitar teacher to get the two of
us doing this piece, but you have just killed that ambition. I could
never match that.

http://youtu.be/amNF_F6oeRU

That poor girl! First she has to put up with being serenaded by one of
them. Then the other comes on and tries to out-serenade. And then, at
about 1:10, they start on the actual "Dueling Banjos" tune and begin to
dance with each other, shunting her upstage. Then they reach for each
other's bags. Then they bump butts. Eventually they remember they're
supposed to be impressing a woman, and she ends up getting stuck with
the both of them.

I take it this isn't young Master Spira's movie.

Madrigal Gurneyhalt

2018-07-16 16:40:02 UTC

Post by Ken Blake
On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:31:17 -0700 (PDT), Dingbat

Post by Peter T. Daniels
Have you ever seen the movie *Deliverance*? (Dueling banjos. One of the
classic scenes in American cinema.)

http://youtu.be/1tqxzWdKKu8

Yes, in the movie, it's a guitar and banjo. But the original
performance of the tune was a duel between two banjos, hence its name.

Son, in his first year at film school in Edinburgh, persuaded two
bagpipe players on Princes Street to do a version of it. Made a splendid
little film.

I have sometimes been tempted to ask my guitar teacher to get the two of
us doing this piece, but you have just killed that ambition. I could
never match that.

http://youtu.be/amNF_F6oeRU

The poor girl doesn't seem to mind a bit!

Peter T. Daniels

2018-07-16 16:47:41 UTC

Post by Ken Blake
On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:31:17 -0700 (PDT), Dingbat

On Wednesday, July 11, 2018 at 6:29:11 PM UTC+5:30, Peter T. Daniels

Post by Peter T. Daniels
Have you ever seen the movie *Deliverance*? (Dueling banjos. One of the
classic scenes in American cinema.)

http://youtu.be/1tqxzWdKKu8

Yes, in the movie, it's a guitar and banjo. But the original
performance of the tune was a duel between two banjos, hence its name.

Son, in his first year at film school in Edinburgh, persuaded two
bagpipe players on Princes Street to do a version of it. Made a splendid
little film.

I have sometimes been tempted to ask my guitar teacher to get the two of
us doing this piece, but you have just killed that ambition. I could
never match that.

http://youtu.be/amNF_F6oeRU

The poor girl doesn't seem to mind a bit!

It was a stage production before an audience. She was paid to endure the
event and appear to be enjoying it.

Madrigal Gurneyhalt

2018-07-16 17:21:51 UTC

Post by Ken Blake
On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:31:17 -0700 (PDT), Dingbat

On Wednesday, July 11, 2018 at 6:29:11 PM UTC+5:30, Peter T. Daniels

Post by Peter T. Daniels
Have you ever seen the movie *Deliverance*? (Dueling banjos. One of
the
classic scenes in American cinema.)

http://youtu.be/1tqxzWdKKu8

Yes, in the movie, it's a guitar and banjo. But the original
performance of the tune was a duel between two banjos, hence its name.

Son, in his first year at film school in Edinburgh, persuaded two
bagpipe players on Princes Street to do a version of it. Made a splendid
little film.

I have sometimes been tempted to ask my guitar teacher to get the two of
us doing this piece, but you have just killed that ambition. I could
never match that.

http://youtu.be/amNF_F6oeRU

The poor girl doesn't seem to mind a bit!

It was a stage production before an audience. She was paid to endure the
event and appear to be enjoying it.

I regret to inform you that you have totally failed to understand
the nature of the performance. Let us just say that the only
payment involved would have been from not to the performers!

Peter T. Daniels

2018-07-16 17:42:31 UTC

Post by Ken Blake
On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:31:17 -0700 (PDT), Dingbat

On Wednesday, July 11, 2018 at 6:29:11 PM UTC+5:30, Peter T. Daniels

Post by Peter T. Daniels
Have you ever seen the movie *Deliverance*? (Dueling banjos. One of
the
classic scenes in American cinema.)

http://youtu.be/1tqxzWdKKu8

Yes, in the movie, it's a guitar and banjo. But the original
performance of the tune was a duel between two banjos, hence its name.

Son, in his first year at film school in Edinburgh, persuaded two
bagpipe players on Princes Street to do a version of it. Made a splendid
little film.

I have sometimes been tempted to ask my guitar teacher to get the two of
us doing this piece, but you have just killed that ambition. I could
never match that.

http://youtu.be/amNF_F6oeRU

The poor girl doesn't seem to mind a bit!

It was a stage production before an audience. She was paid to endure the
event and appear to be enjoying it.

I regret to inform you that you have totally failed to understand
the nature of the performance. Let us just say that the only
payment involved would have been from not to the performers!

You may be proceeding from an assumption that listening to bagpipes
(especially in an enclosed space) is a pleasant thing to do.

Madrigal Gurneyhalt

2018-07-16 23:02:46 UTC

Post by Ken Blake
On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:31:17 -0700 (PDT), Dingbat

On Wednesday, July 11, 2018 at 6:29:11 PM UTC+5:30, Peter T. Daniels

Post by Peter T. Daniels
Have you ever seen the movie *Deliverance*? (Dueling banjos. One of
the
classic scenes in American cinema.)

http://youtu.be/1tqxzWdKKu8

Yes, in the movie, it's a guitar and banjo. But the original
performance of the tune was a duel between two banjos, hence its name.

Son, in his first year at film school in Edinburgh, persuaded two
bagpipe players on Princes Street to do a version of it. Made a splendid
little film.

I have sometimes been tempted to ask my guitar teacher to get the two of
us doing this piece, but you have just killed that ambition. I could
never match that.

http://youtu.be/amNF_F6oeRU

The poor girl doesn't seem to mind a bit!

It was a stage production before an audience. She was paid to endure the
event and appear to be enjoying it.

I regret to inform you that you have totally failed to understand
the nature of the performance. Let us just say that the only
payment involved would have been from not to the performers!

You may be proceeding from an assumption that listening to bagpipes
(especially in an enclosed space) is a pleasant thing to do.

Whether I am or not I think it reasonable to assume that the College
of Pipers certainly does!

Tony Cooper

2018-07-17 00:06:29 UTC

On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 16:02:46 -0700 (PDT), Madrigal Gurneyhalt

Post by Ken Blake
On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:31:17 -0700 (PDT), Dingbat

On Wednesday, July 11, 2018 at 6:29:11 PM UTC+5:30, Peter T. Daniels

Post by Peter T. Daniels
Have you ever seen the movie *Deliverance*? (Dueling banjos. One of
the
classic scenes in American cinema.)

http://youtu.be/1tqxzWdKKu8

Yes, in the movie, it's a guitar and banjo. But the original
performance of the tune was a duel between two banjos, hence its name.

Son, in his first year at film school in Edinburgh, persuaded two
bagpipe players on Princes Street to do a version of it. Made a splendid
little film.

I have sometimes been tempted to ask my guitar teacher to get the two of
us doing this piece, but you have just killed that ambition. I could
never match that.

http://youtu.be/amNF_F6oeRU

The poor girl doesn't seem to mind a bit!

It was a stage production before an audience. She was paid to endure the
event and appear to be enjoying it.

I regret to inform you that you have totally failed to understand
the nature of the performance. Let us just say that the only
payment involved would have been from not to the performers!

You may be proceeding from an assumption that listening to bagpipes
(especially in an enclosed space) is a pleasant thing to do.

Whether I am or not I think it reasonable to assume that the College
of Pipers certainly does!

I don't think I'd buy a ticket to attend a piping concert, but I do
enjoy the appearances of the Rosie O'Grady's Pipe and Drum Corp at
parades and other events here in Orlando. I like the drums along with
the pipes. It's a large group, and quite good.

https://www.facebook.com/Rosie-OGradys-Highlanders-Pipes-and-Drums-71846838686/

"Seven Nations" is a Celtic/folk/rock group that started here in
Florida, but has become a nationally and even internationally known
group. Three of the group play the Highland Bagpipes, but - like a
lot of musicians - play other instruments in their sets. One member,
who is not longer in the group, played the Uileann bagpipes.

They used to appear locally quite a bit, but seldom come back now that
they are playing national and international dates. They were featured
at the XIX Winter Olympic Games at the torch lighting ceremony. I
have to content myself with the CDs I bought at their earlier
appearances here.

--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

Mack A. Damia

2018-07-17 00:22:09 UTC

On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 20:06:29 -0400, Tony Cooper

Post by Tony Cooper
On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 16:02:46 -0700 (PDT), Madrigal Gurneyhalt

Post by Ken Blake
On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:31:17 -0700 (PDT), Dingbat

On Wednesday, July 11, 2018 at 6:29:11 PM UTC+5:30, Peter T. Daniels

Post by Peter T. Daniels
Have you ever seen the movie *Deliverance*? (Dueling banjos. One of
the
classic scenes in American cinema.)

http://youtu.be/1tqxzWdKKu8

Yes, in the movie, it's a guitar and banjo. But the original
performance of the tune was a duel between two banjos, hence its name.

Son, in his first year at film school in Edinburgh, persuaded two
bagpipe players on Princes Street to do a version of it. Made a splendid
little film.

I have sometimes been tempted to ask my guitar teacher to get the two of
us doing this piece, but you have just killed that ambition. I could
never match that.

http://youtu.be/amNF_F6oeRU

The poor girl doesn't seem to mind a bit!

It was a stage production before an audience. She was paid to endure the
event and appear to be enjoying it.

I regret to inform you that you have totally failed to understand
the nature of the performance. Let us just say that the only
payment involved would have been from not to the performers!

You may be proceeding from an assumption that listening to bagpipes
(especially in an enclosed space) is a pleasant thing to do.

Whether I am or not I think it reasonable to assume that the College
of Pipers certainly does!

I don't think I'd buy a ticket to attend a piping concert, but I do
enjoy the appearances of the Rosie O'Grady's Pipe and Drum Corp at
parades and other events here in Orlando. I like the drums along with
the pipes. It's a large group, and quite good.
https://www.facebook.com/Rosie-OGradys-Highlanders-Pipes-and-Drums-71846838686/
"Seven Nations" is a Celtic/folk/rock group that started here in
Florida, but has become a nationally and even internationally known
group. Three of the group play the Highland Bagpipes, but - like a
lot of musicians - play other instruments in their sets. One member,
who is not longer in the group, played the Uileann bagpipes.
They used to appear locally quite a bit, but seldom come back now that
they are playing national and international dates. They were featured
at the XIX Winter Olympic Games at the torch lighting ceremony. I
have to content myself with the CDs I bought at their earlier
appearances here.

I saw the Black Watch, accompanied by the Argyll and Sutherland
Highlanders at Lehigh University's Stabler Arena in 1989.

A "military tattoo".

Three bands, two from the Black Watch and one from the Argyll and
Sutherland Highlanders - 90 members in all - toured and performed in
seventy cities across the U.S.

I remember that it was quite a stirring experience.

Mack A. Damia

2018-07-13 15:25:25 UTC

Post by Ken Blake
On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:31:17 -0700 (PDT), Dingbat

Have you ever seen the movie *Deliverance*? (Dueling banjos. One of the
classic scenes in American cinema.)

http://youtu.be/1tqxzWdKKu8

Yes, in the movie, it's a guitar and banjo. But the original
performance of the tune was a duel between two banjos, hence its name.

That's Trey Gowdy (as a child) playing the banjo.

cruciverbalist

2018-07-13 19:54:48 UTC

On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 08:25:25 -0700, Mack A. Damia

Post by Ken Blake
On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:31:17 -0700 (PDT), Dingbat

Have you ever seen the movie *Deliverance*? (Dueling banjos. One of the
classic scenes in American cinema.)

http://youtu.be/1tqxzWdKKu8

Yes, in the movie, it's a guitar and banjo. But the original
performance of the tune was a duel between two banjos, hence its name.

That's Trey Gowdy (as a child) playing the banjo.

LOL! I swear I thought the same thing!

Jack

soup

2018-07-14 05:01:44 UTC

Post by Ken Blake
On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:31:17 -0700 (PDT), Dingbat

Post by Dingbat
http://youtu.be/1tqxzWdKKu8

Yes, in the movie, it's a guitar and banjo. But the original
performance of the tune was a duel between two banjos, hence its name.

That's Trey Gowdy (as a child) playing the banjo.

No idea who Trey Gowdy is, but you do realise the person seen holding
the banjo, as if he was playing it, is NOT the person actually playing?

The actual player was situated behind the onscreen actor and had his
hands/arms shoved through the actors armpits to actually play the guitar
whilst it looked like the actor was doing so.

Madrigal Gurneyhalt

2018-07-14 11:49:21 UTC

Post by soup

Post by Ken Blake
On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:31:17 -0700 (PDT), Dingbat

Post by Dingbat
http://youtu.be/1tqxzWdKKu8

Yes, in the movie, it's a guitar and banjo. But the original
performance of the tune was a duel between two banjos, hence its name.

That's Trey Gowdy (as a child) playing the banjo.

No idea who Trey Gowdy is, but you do realise the person seen holding
the banjo, as if he was playing it, is NOT the person actually playing?
The actual player was situated behind the onscreen actor and had his
hands/arms shoved through the actors armpits to actually play the guitar
whilst it looked like the actor was doing so.

Er ... no ... the music was pre-recorded. No playing was involved.
Ronny Cox who is a skilled guitar player (currently appearing in
Nashville) was able to act the part of the guitarist very successfully.
The 'playing' of Billy Redden, not a musician, looked too unnatural
in the first rushes and thus a local musician was brought in to act
as Redden's left arm to better approximate the fingering while Redden
continued as the right hand. The result, however, to anyone with even
a basic knowledge of banjo, remains completely unconvincing. Kermit's
playing on Rainbow Connection is far more 'real'!

Mack A. Damia

2018-07-14 15:00:08 UTC

Post by soup

Post by Ken Blake
On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:31:17 -0700 (PDT), Dingbat

Post by Dingbat
http://youtu.be/1tqxzWdKKu8

Yes, in the movie, it's a guitar and banjo. But the original
performance of the tune was a duel between two banjos, hence its name.

That's Trey Gowdy (as a child) playing the banjo.

No idea who Trey Gowdy is, but you do realise the person seen holding
the banjo, as if he was playing it, is NOT the person actually playing?

Harold Watson "Trey" Gowdy III is an American attorney, politician and
former federal prosecutor serving as the U.S. Representative for South
Carolina's 4th congressional district since 2011. A Republican, he is
a member of the Tea Party movement.

He was recently observed bashing the witness during the congressional
hearing of the FBI official accused of bashing trump in an email.

Post by soup
The actual player was situated behind the onscreen actor and had his
hands/arms shoved through the actors armpits to actually play the guitar
whilst it looked like the actor was doing so.

Doesn't matter.

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Peter Young

2018-07-11 12:58:15 UTC

In a jazz context, usually the meaning is that each is trying to outdo the
other one.

Peter.

--
Peter Young, (BrE, RP), Consultant Anaesthetist, 1975-2004.
(US equivalent: Certified Anesthesiologist) (AUE Au)
Cheltenham and Gloucester, UK. Now happily retired.
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk

Ken Blake

2018-07-11 15:31:09 UTC